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Wow. The large territory of the ocean that we know nothing about"},{"time":"0:09","seconds":9,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"really points in the direction that that's probably where they are. What would they be for you? Undersea alien bases."},{"time":"0:18","seconds":18,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Tim Galidet. You were the Navy's chief oceanographer."},{"time":"0:21","seconds":21,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Yes. And I was a onestar admiral and I saw on the Navy Secret Network the Go Fast video."},{"time":"0:27","seconds":27,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Oh my gosh, dude. Wow."},{"time":"0:32","seconds":32,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"That was the day everything changed for me. There's this teardrop shaped looking UAP 20 ft lengthwise or so. It surfaces"},{"time":"0:39","seconds":39,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"out of the water and there's no disturbance of the water and after a few moments it just went. It looked like it was being lifted like gravity in"},{"time":"0:47","seconds":47,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"reverse. Really? That's basically disclosure right there. I went out in the middle of the Baltic Sea kind of smack dab between Sweden and Finland and it looks like the Millennium Falcon."},{"time":"0:57","seconds":57,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"We've located them, but it's hard to actually extract them because it's like they have a life of their own."},{"time":"1:04","seconds":64,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"You lost GPS."},{"time":"1:08","seconds":68,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Harold Malgrren talked about actually holding the pieces from this crash and that it came down, I guess, out of the plume of this nuclear blast in 1962."},{"time":"1:19","seconds":79,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Do you know about this bluegill triple prime test?"},{"time":"1:22","seconds":82,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"I helped Jeff Krookchank write the report on it. Oh, wow."},{"time":"1:26","seconds":86,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Yeah. Did you think that something anomalous was recovered within the deck?"},{"time":"1:30","seconds":90,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"I do. It's like an accumulation of evidence. So, yeah. And then these divers claimed that they saw UFO occupants outside these two"},{"time":"1:38","seconds":98,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"saucers and that they even took video of it."},{"time":"1:44","seconds":104,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"A recent development for me and it's exciting. We believe we found a region in the Atlantic with features that correspond to exactly how Plato described it."},{"time":"1:53","seconds":113,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Atlantis. Maybe we might be diving on that thing real soon."},{"time":"2:00","seconds":120,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Ignition sequence. How is this possible?"},{"time":"2:07","seconds":127,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"Nothing too unusual about that. Their existence cannot longer be denied."},{"time":"2:23","seconds":143,"chapter":1,"chapter_title":"Introduction","text":"All right."},{"time":"2:24","seconds":144,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"I have uh an admiral here. I have Tim Galedet. Uh is it fair to say you were basically the Navy's chief"},{"time":"2:32","seconds":152,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"oceanographer? That's right. You were an administrator of Noah as well, the National uh Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."},{"time":"2:41","seconds":161,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"Correct."},{"time":"2:41","seconds":161,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"I owe you an apology. I don't know if you know about this or what I'm about to say. No, I don't."},{"time":"2:46","seconds":166,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"When you testified before Congress, you were behind me."},{"time":"2:49","seconds":169,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"I was sitting behind you and like an idiot, I was chewing gum. And I I deserved to, you know, slapped up the"},{"time":"2:57","seconds":177,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"back side of my head or something for that because I, you know, just wasn't cool. I didn't know I was being televised. I know I was in the shot. So, I apologize. You were front row, right?"},{"time":"3:05","seconds":185,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"I was front row. I I thought I was cut off."},{"time":"3:07","seconds":187,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"Yeah. All All the cameras are at an angle. Yeah."},{"time":"3:11","seconds":191,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"So, there's a lot of shots where you're right there."},{"time":"3:13","seconds":193,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"Well, I I apologize publicly. I'm shaming myself."},{"time":"3:17","seconds":197,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"As far as I'm concerned, it was a good look. Uh you have a very interesting family history and I want to talk about it. Um who is Peter Wallace Galedet?"},{"time":"3:25","seconds":205,"chapter":2,"chapter_title":"Meet Admiral Tim Gallaudet","text":"Oh, how about that? Yeah, he is uh was a grandson of the original French hugenot immigrant Pierre Galedet and uh Peter"},{"time":"3:34","seconds":214,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"Wallace ended up serving in the battle of Trenton and uh the revolutionary war and fighting in it under Washington and"},{"time":"3:41","seconds":221,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"then Washington became president. He was the personal secretary for Washington. So yeah, how about that? That's amazing."},{"time":"3:48","seconds":228,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"It's it's special. Yeah. It's a pretty illustrious uh uh history."},{"time":"3:51","seconds":231,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"Not bad. Yeah. Close to a president. The president."},{"time":"3:54","seconds":234,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"A lot of people think about, you know, somebody with your credentials being, you know, a former rear admiral and they"},{"time":"4:01","seconds":241,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"think about UFOs and they think that UFOs are not super serious and not maybe worthy of the attention of somebody of"},{"time":"4:08","seconds":248,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"your sort of caliber. What brought them on your radar initially?"},{"time":"4:13","seconds":253,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"Yeah. Well, two things. First, I was the superintendent of the Naval Observatory and I had a team of astrophysicists who"},{"time":"4:20","seconds":260,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"um I learned from and I it gave me this appreciation for how big the universe is. Every galaxy, our galaxy has a 100red billion stars which is really"},{"time":"4:29","seconds":269,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"beyond human comprehension and and now we know the observable universe has maybe over a trillion galaxies. So, it's"},{"time":"4:37","seconds":277,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"just and then because life's a property of the universe, we're here and it's very diverse. Why would it not be elsewhere? And that's what that's what I"},{"time":"4:45","seconds":285,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"work on the Galileo project for Avibe and he he usually describes the situation like that where it would"},{"time":"4:52","seconds":292,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"really be extraordinary if other life didn't exist other intelligent life that that's what would be really anomalous."},{"time":"4:59","seconds":299,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"So I was just very open-minded to that fact that we could be visited and u by off-world civilizations. And then of"},{"time":"5:07","seconds":307,"chapter":3,"chapter_title":"Gallaudet family history","text":"course it kind of clinched to me when I I was a onestar admiral and I saw on the Navy Secret Network the Go Fast video."},{"time":"5:26","seconds":326,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"What the hell are you moving here?"},{"time":"5:30","seconds":330,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"It was passed by an email dealing with the exercise where it was filmed. The exercise was going on off the US East"},{"time":"5:37","seconds":337,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"Coast. Ryan Graves was one of the pilots flying off the USS Theodore Roosevelt."},{"time":"5:41","seconds":341,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"And I received an email about about these UAP attached was uh the go fast video and and there was a real concern"},{"time":"5:48","seconds":348,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"because this is a training exercise where all the pilots have to get certified to land on the aircraft carrier and that you can't deploy overseas unless those things are done"},{"time":"5:57","seconds":357,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"along with other things. And so this very compressed high pressure and they were the email mentioned that that that they were considering shutting down the"},{"time":"6:05","seconds":365,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"exercise after what happened is Ryan talks about this. There was a section of F-18s flying doing some training mission"},{"time":"6:12","seconds":372,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"and that's when one of those weird cubinous sphere UAPs split the section."},{"time":"6:17","seconds":377,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"There were two aircraft from my squadron VFA11 and we flew or excuse me they flew took off as a flight of two. Uh that means"},{"time":"6:25","seconds":385,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"they're essentially flying in a formation like this. Um, and as they hit the area, one of these objects went right between the aircraft."},{"time":"6:32","seconds":392,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"If you're not an aviator, it's hard to appreciate how dangerous that is. You want nothing close to you if you're in, you know, two aircraft flying in"},{"time":"6:40","seconds":400,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"formation very close. And nothing should be within miles. You know, you you would want to have anticipation of anything in the air in the airspace being, you know,"},{"time":"6:48","seconds":408,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"miles away. And then when all of a sudden the pop-up UFO splits the section, everyone went crazy. And that's why the two star sent that email to everybody. And and of course that I I"},{"time":"6:57","seconds":417,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"knew right there we don't test advanced tech in training ranges during during a very compressed training exercise. Uh and and we have we have instrumented"},{"time":"7:05","seconds":425,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"test ranges for that and I knew all of our adversary uh tech and threats uh because I had top secret SCI clearance and I so I knew that wasn't ours either."},{"time":"7:15","seconds":435,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"Every now and then we'll have like Chinese twers with sigant gear spying on our exercise the exercises. There's"},{"time":"7:23","seconds":443,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"there's nothing like foreign there. So, it was clearly not foreign. And I knew right there that was that was the day everything changed for me and and it was"},{"time":"7:30","seconds":450,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"just well something you'll just never forget when your whole paradigm just totally changes in one day."},{"time":"7:36","seconds":456,"chapter":4,"chapter_title":"The Go Fast video","text":"Wow. And so so you received an email and then the the email was deleted. So this is interesting and Jay Stratton has since confirmed it because I believe he"},{"time":"7:44","seconds":464,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"was somewhere in the naval intelligence community and he and either the predecessor of or I forgot exactly when"},{"time":"7:50","seconds":470,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"he stood up the UAP task force but what the story he told me what happened is when it was deleted they were still not"},{"time":"7:58","seconds":478,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"sure whether it was adversary tech or or off-world anomalous. So that that's why they delete it from everybody's computer"},{"time":"8:07","seconds":487,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"because adversary tech, foreign military uh capabilities are always very highly classified. We don't want we keep that"},{"time":"8:15","seconds":495,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"at TS or higher because we don't want them to know we know and we don't want them to know how we know what we know."},{"time":"8:21","seconds":501,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"And I've been involved with all many programs like that, especially undersea programs and and those will never see the light of day. That that's just that"},{"time":"8:29","seconds":509,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"and that's that relates to this whole UAP overclassification thing. But uh yeah and then and so and I knew this too cuz I've seen there's a protocol what"},{"time":"8:37","seconds":517,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"happens when you it's it's called spillage I believe where if you release uh information at at a certain classification level and you you release"},{"time":"8:46","seconds":526,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"it at a lower classification level network uh you have to basically clean it up and there's there's a whole protocol to do the cleanup and I I"},{"time":"8:54","seconds":534,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"realized when the email was deleted that's what occurred and I I thought oh this this must be TS or higher and uh this this knowledge of these UAP"},{"time":"9:02","seconds":542,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"and and that's why I just never said anything about it until I left the government."},{"time":"9:06","seconds":546,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"Wow. Fascinating. So, yeah, that must have spooked you, the fact that he got an email about a UFO and then the email was deleted. Yeah."},{"time":"9:14","seconds":554,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"And then you kind of So, you find out later through Jay Stratton who's um he ran the UAP task force and is I believe"},{"time":"9:21","seconds":561,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"former office of naval intelligence. Is that right?"},{"time":"9:23","seconds":563,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"Yeah. He he's worked in a number of intelligence capacities and and so he yeah he wor and we worked in the same circles and knew the same senior naval"},{"time":"9:31","seconds":571,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"intelligence professionals and then the the interesting thing about goast is that's probably one of the more so there are three videos that came out"},{"time":"9:39","seconds":579,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"kind of alongside the 2017 New York Times article with Leslie Kaine and you have Go Fast, Nimmits and Gimbal and Go Fast is kind of one of the most"},{"time":"9:47","seconds":587,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"controversial of of those three. Is that right? Because there are people in Arrow that say it's just parallax which is essentially movement of the fleer pod"},{"time":"9:56","seconds":596,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"like of the tracking system. Like typical parallax would be you put you know finger in front of both your your eyes and then you close one eye you open"},{"time":"10:03","seconds":603,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"the other eye it looks like the your finger is moving but it's staying in the same place. Is that do you think that that's not the case then it's definitely not paralyzed?"},{"time":"10:10","seconds":610,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"So it wasn't going very fast. That that's true. They called the go I don't know how I got the name go fast. I don't dispute that, you know, because yeah,"},{"time":"10:17","seconds":617,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"that that the the angle of where it's looking at the object and and it appears to go fast because of the water underneath it, but it was high above the water and that's why it looks like that."},{"time":"10:26","seconds":626,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"I don't dispute that. What I dispute is the fact that this was a spherical object that had no flight control services or means propulsion traveling"},{"time":"10:33","seconds":633,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"in in a in an intelligently controlled manner and and it was in formation. By the way, there was four. I believe there was four."},{"time":"10:41","seconds":641,"chapter":5,"chapter_title":"The deleted email","text":"So that that's the context no one talks about. That's why after my hearing, uh, John Kazowski made some statements"},{"time":"10:50","seconds":650,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"about that during his hearing, inferring that it wasn't very anomalous because it wasn't going very fast."},{"time":"10:56","seconds":656,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"To go fast looks like an object flying very fast over the water, very close to the water. A trick of the eye called"},{"time":"11:04","seconds":664,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"parallax makes it look like the object is moving much faster."},{"time":"11:07","seconds":667,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"He didn't cite the other instances, the observations. I just I just stated that that and by the way the context also was"},{"time":"11:14","seconds":674,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"that Ryan was out there. They were seeing dozens of these things and you can hear the pilots on the gimbal for example and the go fast. So"},{"time":"11:22","seconds":682,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"here here's another thing. Why did I don't want to disparage John because I think Arrow is moving in a new direction now. But but why didn't they acknowledge"},{"time":"11:30","seconds":690,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"the fact with the pilots went crazy the audio of the Go Fast video. You hear them. They're trying to lock it in and they lock it in. They go got it. You you you've heard it all."},{"time":"11:38","seconds":698,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. I mean, they're in the airspace. They know what's normal and they're clearly excited cuz this thing is not normal."},{"time":"11:45","seconds":705,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"Well, that's always my question is like unless the guy's acting, it's like that feels like a rational reaction to something anomalous."},{"time":"11:53","seconds":713,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"Yes. And then and Ryan flew with these guys. He he knows the guy whose voice is it is, you know, they flew together as squadron"},{"time":"12:01","seconds":721,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"mates and and clearly this was a buzz in the squadron. They all knew these things were out there. They had no explanation."},{"time":"12:07","seconds":727,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"None of the intel officers on on the carrier. The carrier has a whole intel team. They didn't know what the heck these were. Yep."},{"time":"12:13","seconds":733,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"So, anybody who tries to dispute the Go Fast video is is is trying to skew the conversation."},{"time":"12:20","seconds":740,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"It'd be great if that guy at some point came out. Um because with Nimmits, you have all this, you have people, and then you also have fear. Yeah."},{"time":"12:28","seconds":748,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"So, just today as we record, the principal direct deputy director of of the off in of national intelligence,"},{"time":"12:37","seconds":757,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"okay, Aaron Lucas just sent out a memo per the president's directive saying that if anybody has information"},{"time":"12:44","seconds":764,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"regarding UAP and they had to sign an NDA that the NDAs will be waved and they can come out and make reports to the"},{"time":"12:51","seconds":771,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"pursue team in the department of war or uh um or arrow. So that's that's significant. And so these pilots, they"},{"time":"12:59","seconds":779,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"they pro I don't know if they had to sign NDAs, but now just that directive right there is every day something is happening where the stigma is just being"},{"time":"13:08","seconds":788,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"destroyed and and those pilots might want to come out. The only reason they're doing it because they don't want it to potentially harm their career, but"},{"time":"13:17","seconds":797,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"those days are are nearly over. Seems like it. Yeah. If anything, it seems like a career boost. It's like all these opportunities to like get involved in"},{"time":"13:25","seconds":805,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"kind of avantguard research and you know academic institutions and you know I I don't I think those days are over hopefully."},{"time":"13:32","seconds":812,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"Well, if you're a career naval aviator maybe not that that's sure but uh but again it's starting to get acknowledged at the president's level"},{"time":"13:40","seconds":820,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"and and the secretary of defense with the pursue files. So who knows that might change entirely."},{"time":"13:46","seconds":826,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"Yeah. And then it does feel like certain whistleblowers are not treated well."},{"time":"13:50","seconds":830,"chapter":6,"chapter_title":"AARO and the parallax dispute","text":"people like David Grush and you know um Dylan Borland and Matthew Brown. Some of these guys don't seem like they're uh treated well after the fact."},{"time":"13:59","seconds":839,"chapter":7,"chapter_title":"Whistleblowers and retaliation","text":"Well, this so there is a large part of the IC that's entrenched, you know, and they're still either part of the legacy"},{"time":"14:07","seconds":847,"chapter":7,"chapter_title":"Whistleblowers and retaliation","text":"program or at least the fact it still exists that much of this information is remains classified and they don't want to see classified information um"},{"time":"14:16","seconds":856,"chapter":7,"chapter_title":"Whistleblowers and retaliation","text":"revealed. Uh which is fair. Some of it might involve our own collection capabilities. 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And it's it's unfortunate how toxic some of this has become because"},{"time":"15:07","seconds":907,"chapter":7,"chapter_title":"Whistleblowers and retaliation","text":"there's different individuals in this space have different agendas and it has created divisions and so many people"},{"time":"15:15","seconds":915,"chapter":7,"chapter_title":"Whistleblowers and retaliation","text":"question other people and and just for the record that that is the only reason I'm in this game. I don't make any money from this. I don't get any advantage. I"},{"time":"15:24","seconds":924,"chapter":7,"chapter_title":"Whistleblowers and retaliation","text":"just want the truth. I've been given through my credentials a voice and I and that my voice is like yours. I want I just want to uh promote the truth."},{"time":"15:33","seconds":933,"chapter":7,"chapter_title":"Whistleblowers and retaliation","text":"That's amazing. Yeah. No, it's it's a tough topic. 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That that's possible in terms of the time frame."},{"time":"19:48","seconds":1188,"chapter":11,"chapter_title":"The Silurian hypothesis","text":"Yeah."},{"time":"19:48","seconds":1188,"chapter":11,"chapter_title":"The Silurian hypothesis","text":"So, think about we're four billion years in existence. So, what what if an advanced civilization evolved after a billion years? It's is very possible."},{"time":"19:57","seconds":1197,"chapter":11,"chapter_title":"The Silurian hypothesis","text":"So, that's why that that kind of lends credibility to the hypothesis that possibly these UAP come from under the oceans. But what's more interesting is"},{"time":"20:05","seconds":1205,"chapter":11,"chapter_title":"The Silurian hypothesis","text":"the data. So, Richard Dolan anecdotally shares all these reports of UFOs, UFOs coming out and going into the water. 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And I don't know if you're probably not aware of this, but when you are on a network uh and you're you're on a workstation, you can sometimes transfer between"},{"time":"23:37","seconds":1417,"chapter":12,"chapter_title":"The teardrop UAP video","text":"classification levels. Uh you just change the input to the screen. And so on class systems, usually have a big"},{"time":"23:44","seconds":1424,"chapter":12,"chapter_title":"The teardrop UAP video","text":"green banner. Uh top secret, no, secret is red, top secret is yellow. And this thing had some weird colors you've never"},{"time":"23:53","seconds":1433,"chapter":12,"chapter_title":"The teardrop UAP video","text":"seen before. So, so he knew this must have been some compartmental program or whatever that I mean that's that's his only and then these agencies whatever"},{"time":"24:01","seconds":1441,"chapter":12,"chapter_title":"The teardrop UAP video","text":"they were he didn't know where where these people were from. 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And that I'm sending this email to all you our partners to uh"},{"time":"24:59","seconds":1499,"chapter":12,"chapter_title":"The teardrop UAP video","text":"um encourage data data sharing and and more discovery. And then and then she said"},{"time":"25:06","seconds":1506,"chapter":12,"chapter_title":"The teardrop UAP video","text":"these objects all the we see them in the ocean more than more than elsewhere coming in and out of the ocean and they"},{"time":"25:14","seconds":1514,"chapter":12,"chapter_title":"The teardrop UAP video","text":"seem to be occurring in five to seven areas of the world. um with more frequency than than others. Okay. Um"},{"time":"25:23","seconds":1523,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"that that's that's the gist of the information. So a while back you might have heard Tim Burchett make this claim."},{"time":"25:29","seconds":1529,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"Yeah. Someone came to me and there's five to seven alien bases, right? Undersea alien bases."},{"time":"25:34","seconds":1534,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"We have a higher propensity of sightings around these five or six I believe deep area deep water areas."},{"time":"25:43","seconds":1543,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"Now when he said that I thought I've never heard this. I was the oceanographer for the Navy. This this is this is probably a stretch. Um and I"},{"time":"25:51","seconds":1551,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"what I think happened is someone who'd seen that email is the one who talked to Burchett. Whoa."},{"time":"25:56","seconds":1556,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"So the woman did not say they were undersea alien bases. She just said we see them coming in and out of the water a lot and they're usually in five to"},{"time":"26:04","seconds":1564,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"seven areas of the world like with with consistency. Yeah."},{"time":"26:09","seconds":1569,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"So that that's that's knowledge right now that hasn't been put together in terms of two plus two with a lot of these Congress people. you know, they'll"},{"time":"26:16","seconds":1576,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"make these big claims and it's just really hard to know what the source is and where it's coming from. So, this is really that's good to know that that might be the source."},{"time":"26:24","seconds":1584,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"Yeah. And you can see that that that that was a very privileged email and that's why that source did probably didn't want to be named, but he but he"},{"time":"26:32","seconds":1592,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"felt but he felt like so many people have done to me. He felt, well, okay, this congressman's he's a champion for this. I'm going to at least tell him and"},{"time":"26:39","seconds":1599,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"let make sure he knows. M so I I think you know when you put those two together and then then the third line of okay UAPs in the ocean that you asked me"},{"time":"26:47","seconds":1607,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"about. I've had several submarine officers come to me two uh and one listed and they all reported to me these"},{"time":"26:54","seconds":1614,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"instances where they were all of a sudden en encountering an object under a water that was closing rapidly more"},{"time":"27:03","seconds":1623,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"rapid than normal other and adversary submarines. you know, had signatures of a torpedo closing rapidly, constant bearing,"},{"time":"27:11","seconds":1631,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"decreasing range. Three people all had this and the subs did an emergency deep maneuver where they just all of a sudden, okay, we this is what you train"},{"time":"27:18","seconds":1638,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"to do if an adversary torpedo is inbound and and then in each case whatever the object was, it slowed and it went behind them uh to kind of get out of there."},{"time":"27:30","seconds":1650,"chapter":13,"chapter_title":"Burchett on undersea bases","text":"It's called going into your baffles where you can't your sonar can't see it."},{"time":"27:33","seconds":1653,"chapter":14,"chapter_title":"Submarine baffles encounters","text":"So they actually purposely evaded and then then left the area. And torpedoes can't do that. 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In two cases, they also observed these anomalous objects and all"},{"time":"28:10","seconds":1690,"chapter":14,"chapter_title":"Submarine baffles encounters","text":"of them called me uh because they after my testimony to say, \"Hey, I want you to know that there's there's some there there.\" And and these are very credible people."},{"time":"28:19","seconds":1699,"chapter":14,"chapter_title":"Submarine baffles encounters","text":"That's amazing. Yeah. I mean, you have Alexander Wiggins we can talk about because he's sort of on record."},{"time":"28:24","seconds":1704,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"Uh he's an example of Well, I'm proud of that actually because he he he came out because because of me. He saw that I testified."},{"time":"28:33","seconds":1713,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"He he looked me up and sent me a note and we got on the phone and talked and and I encouraged him to"},{"time":"28:40","seconds":1720,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"engage the hill and now you see he testified. And what what was his case exactly?"},{"time":"28:45","seconds":1725,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"Well, I'm pretty sure, forgive me if I screw this up, but I think he was on the bridge of the Omaha when that that one object spherical object goes into the water."},{"time":"28:54","seconds":1734,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"Mhm. off Southern California in 2019."},{"time":"28:56","seconds":1736,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"A self-luminous tic-tac-shaped object emerged from the ocean before linking up with three other sim similar objects."},{"time":"29:05","seconds":1745,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"The four then disappeared simultaneously with a high synchronized near instantaneous acceleration."},{"time":"29:12","seconds":1752,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"And then he shared with me video of when he was on the USS Jackson, same region, and and they were seeing multiple"},{"time":"29:19","seconds":1759,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"erratic moving UAP at night. Uh and I mean and he told me this. He said, \"We see these things so often out there that"},{"time":"29:27","seconds":1767,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"we're desensitized to it.\" I believe that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they call it the silent service for a reason, you know, and so a lot of people see a"},{"time":"29:35","seconds":1775,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"lot of things and then they they sort of keep keep quiet."},{"time":"29:37","seconds":1777,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"Well, well, so this is Alejandra wasn't he was not a submariner. Okay."},{"time":"29:42","seconds":1782,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"Or Alex. Uh he but he was on these surface ships. Um but they Yeah. The submarine service is called the They call that the sun. Okay. Got it."},{"time":"29:50","seconds":1790,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"Okay. Got it. But ultimately, so that what I I think it's a good thing to point out that Alex, you know, he's he testified"},{"time":"29:57","seconds":1797,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"eventually because he was encouraged by people like me and that this is good. So now he testifies and other senators are going to come forward and and you see this is a movement. It's it's not slowing down."},{"time":"30:09","seconds":1809,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Hope hopefully it kind of snowballs and we get some official statements made and you know, so it's occurring."},{"time":"30:15","seconds":1815,"chapter":15,"chapter_title":"Alex Wiggins and the USS Omaha","text":"We kind of cross the Rubicon. Um, in in 2013, I believe in Auadilla, you have this uh in Puerto Rico, you have this"},{"time":"30:24","seconds":1824,"chapter":16,"chapter_title":"Aguadilla, Puerto Rico","text":"uh, you know, 3inute video of a trans medium object, an object that seems to descend into the Atlantic Ocean and then come out as well."},{"time":"30:32","seconds":1832,"chapter":16,"chapter_title":"Aguadilla, Puerto Rico","text":"Yeah. And of course, all the debunkers have tried to do just that on the video."},{"time":"30:36","seconds":1836,"chapter":16,"chapter_title":"Aguadilla, Puerto Rico","text":"Ultimately, just like all the pursuit files, yeah, we need more data. We need other sensors to corroborate that. But it appears to be another example of"},{"time":"30:45","seconds":1845,"chapter":16,"chapter_title":"Aguadilla, Puerto Rico","text":"transmedium UAP uh encounter and and so yeah and I think that's what we want to do in the UAP science advisory council"},{"time":"30:52","seconds":1852,"chapter":16,"chapter_title":"Aguadilla, Puerto Rico","text":"that I'm on now that reports to the ODNI is we want to analyze these videos and data more to get a better grip on their"},{"time":"31:01","seconds":1861,"chapter":17,"chapter_title":"UAP Science Advisory Council","text":"their actual velocities and movements and trajectories and uh and understand better how they do what they do what what they are"},{"time":"31:09","seconds":1869,"chapter":17,"chapter_title":"UAP Science Advisory Council","text":"and then ultimately what their intention is. One of my favorite cases is uh Nova Scotia 1960 because often with a lot of"},{"time":"31:17","seconds":1877,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"these, you know, unidentified submersible objects, it's just the object. In this case, it involves occupants, possible pilots, maybe"},{"time":"31:25","seconds":1885,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"non-human intelligence sort of driving or steering and then I think repairing the object."},{"time":"31:31","seconds":1891,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"That's right. That's right. Yeah. So, this is a in a book by an author named Chris Styles who went and researched these Royal Canadian Navy divers and and"},{"time":"31:41","seconds":1901,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"and it was all in the aftermath of an exercise, a mind sweeping exercise called Sweep Clear Five and that's the"},{"time":"31:49","seconds":1909,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"title of the book and and he he investigates all this and evidently and there were sightings of UAP going into the water at night and then and then"},{"time":"31:58","seconds":1918,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"these divers claimed uh that they saw UFO fo occupants outside these two saucers on the on the seabed and and and"},{"time":"32:07","seconds":1927,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"that they even took video of it and so interesting. I I'm going to make a couple plugs. There's this one researcher in Canada who contacted me"},{"time":"32:15","seconds":1935,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"recently and he's he's investigating that. He's doing foyas or the equivalent in Canada to try to get that video"},{"time":"32:23","seconds":1943,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"basically. His name is Brian Fitzpatrick and um I'm going to do a quick we can go down this this rabbit hole later, but"},{"time":"32:30","seconds":1950,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"the reason he he he first started investigating cattle mutilations and we let's talk about that later, but but he has a book called The Operator, okay?"},{"time":"32:39","seconds":1959,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"And it's it's an astonishing book. I it's the I think it's the biggest reveal about cattle mutilations out there. And"},{"time":"32:47","seconds":1967,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"so he's a real diligent researcher. He used to be he was a 20-year homicide cop. And so he knows the he understands the forensics of these kind of things."},{"time":"32:55","seconds":1975,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"But ultimately Brian is researching this whole topic of the Nova Scotia UAPs. And again, it's it's a you read the book and"},{"time":"33:04","seconds":1984,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"there seems to be evidence, not hard evidence, but eyewitness testimony of these UAP in the water and like you said, occupants. It's amazing."},{"time":"33:12","seconds":1992,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"You think about a movie like The Abyss, you know, and it's Yeah. It's the abyss in reality, right?"},{"time":"33:18","seconds":1998,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"Yeah. I wonder how much and I I believe it it was like it they didn't use non-human intelligence but it was very similar."},{"time":"33:25","seconds":2005,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"It was Yeah. What was the name of it? Uh non-aterrestrial intelligences. That was it."},{"time":"33:29","seconds":2009,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"And it was these kind of like luminous objects in the deep sea and they would sort of and you got to wonder, you know, with with people like Spielberg and"},{"time":"33:38","seconds":2018,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"James Cameron, like are they getting little, you know, whispers in their ear from, you know, real sources?"},{"time":"33:43","seconds":2023,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"Right. Right. And uh and in fact um there's a Reddit thread out there and I don't know what to make of it, but let's just start everything's starting to add"},{"time":"33:51","seconds":2031,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"up and and I think this guy's name is Condor Man. Okay."},{"time":"33:56","seconds":2036,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"And he went to he made a big statement and this is Reddit. Okay. I'm not I'm beyond of what I know actually. Sure."},{"time":"34:03","seconds":2043,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"Sure. But as we start lining things, ducks in a row. Okay. Another duck in a row is this guy who's who's made statements that those five to seven places where of the world's oceans where"},{"time":"34:12","seconds":2052,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"we see UAP coming in and out of the water, uh that um that they are locations where they reside, NHI's, and they're they manufacture their own UAPs."},{"time":"34:22","seconds":2062,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"Every time they they come out, everyone's a new one. And he had some other wild statements. I'm not going to go into them here, but every now and then, I'm finding more and more about"},{"time":"34:30","seconds":2070,"chapter":18,"chapter_title":"Nova Scotia, 1960","text":"the ocean connection. This was a I believe um a 4chan whistleblower. Oh, was it? Yeah. He claimed to work on the program. That was it. That was it."},{"time":"34:38","seconds":2078,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"He said that basically he implied that every time you mention Lazar, you get in trouble because he was this sort of, you know, leaker of, you know, real stuff"},{"time":"34:46","seconds":2086,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"from the program and that these objects are made in mobile construction units."},{"time":"34:52","seconds":2092,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"So, you have things going around under the ocean and then they're made for purpose. So, they're made to spec"},{"time":"35:00","seconds":2100,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"in order to carry different payloads possibly. And it's just I mean I I know you for clarity, you're just relaying"},{"time":"35:07","seconds":2107,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"what you saw. I can't endorsing it, but I think it's fascinating."},{"time":"35:12","seconds":2112,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"That is so interesting. Well, yeah. And as I said, I only start going down this now because of that email I mentioned, which I I know my source is credible"},{"time":"35:21","seconds":2121,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"and uh and so I I'll I'll definitely swear to that. Mhm. But then as you traje that forward."},{"time":"35:27","seconds":2127,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"Yeah. Who knows? Uh anyways, well there have to be, you know, Yeah. because I think the Bett thing where he's walking around, he's getting interviewed by some"},{"time":"35:35","seconds":2135,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"TMZ person and he goes, \"Yeah, there are five, you know, spots where these things seem to show up more more than not that gets translated on Twitter to like alien bases.\" Yeah."},{"time":"35:45","seconds":2145,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"So, but I do think they're hot spots."},{"time":"35:47","seconds":2147,"chapter":19,"chapter_title":"Anonymous forum claims","text":"And you we mentioned, you know, off the coast of Japan, I uh just recently interviewed the defense minister there, former defense minister and Hamadan."},{"time":"35:56","seconds":2156,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"Yeah. I I might have been at at uh I know that I gave a virtual presentation to this UAP caucus in the parliament or diet"},{"time":"36:04","seconds":2164,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"in Japan. Yeah. A year or two ago. And then just recently I was interviewed in a Japanese um media outlet called the Liberty."},{"time":"36:12","seconds":2172,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"Oh, cool. And and you know now the prime minister of office is setting up a UAP investigation unit. So that Japan's Yeah. There's a lot lot of changes recently."},{"time":"36:21","seconds":2181,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"Oh yeah. They're very kind of uh forwardlooking on the whole topic and the How did that go? How'd that go? Oh, it was amazing. It was really cool."},{"time":"36:29","seconds":2189,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"It was such an honor to be there and such a beautiful experience. Were you in Japan? I was in Japan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that country. I live there. Did you?"},{"time":"36:36","seconds":2196,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"I was on Not much. I was on a ship that was at sea a lot, but we were stationed in Japan. Oh wow. Okinawa or where? Yakoska. Oh, Yukoska. Okay, cool. Amazing."},{"time":"36:44","seconds":2204,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"Love that. Love the people. Love that place."},{"time":"36:47","seconds":2207,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"It's got an incredible history when it comes to UFOs. There's a um a mountain called Mount Senori and it's in the Fukushima prefrure and Fukushima, of"},{"time":"36:56","seconds":2216,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"course, is famous for its 2011 nuclear disaster. Um but UFOs were reported to show up around the nuclear disaster."},{"time":"37:04","seconds":2224,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"I know. I've seen the video. Yeah. And there's a there's a mountain with the at at the top of the mountain there's a museum dedicated to UFOs in Senor. Yeah."},{"time":"37:12","seconds":2232,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"No. Did you go there?"},{"time":"37:13","seconds":2233,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"I went and there's also a guy and I I'll shut up about Japan at at some point, but there's a guy Takeno Jouen. He's a NASA historian and he has met Edward Teller."},{"time":"37:26","seconds":2246,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"He's met Jesse Marcel Jr. He's interacted with Herman Oberth, you know, the father of German rocketry. like all"},{"time":"37:33","seconds":2253,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"these amazing kind of gray beards and he has these NASA uh you know rocket boosters and capsules on loan from NASA"},{"time":"37:42","seconds":2262,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"for a hundred years and he has a museum dedicated to American space history and UFOs and he claims to have"},{"time":"37:49","seconds":2269,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"is it in Japan? He's in Japan. He claims to have a piece of the Roswell crash with that and I don't know if it did look at it."},{"time":"37:55","seconds":2275,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"I did. It was in it was encased and I just, you know, I was like there was definitely a translation barrier and I was asking about the, you know, the"},{"time":"38:03","seconds":2283,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"extent of the testing and it to me it's, you know, similar to what you read on Reddit. I just can't endorse the thing. But it was amazing."},{"time":"38:10","seconds":2290,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"Yeah, that's really neat, Jesse. Wow."},{"time":"38:12","seconds":2292,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"It was cool. Um, but okay, speaking of, you know, alien bases or hotspots, if you had to, you know, just pinpoint hot"},{"time":"38:21","seconds":2301,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"spots around the world, one might be the South China Sea. Are there are there others that like would you if you had to if you had to pick like five to seven"},{"time":"38:29","seconds":2309,"chapter":20,"chapter_title":"Japan and UAP disclosure","text":"top candidates? What would what would they be for you as far as spots?"},{"time":"38:33","seconds":2313,"chapter":21,"chapter_title":"Global hotspots","text":"Sure. I'm not super knowledgeable about this, but um there's one in the Atlantic. I'm almost certain the Bermuda Triangle or what have you. And then uh"},{"time":"38:40","seconds":2320,"chapter":21,"chapter_title":"Global hotspots","text":"and then Southern California seems to be the Catalina Channel seems to be a hot spot."},{"time":"38:46","seconds":2326,"chapter":21,"chapter_title":"Global hotspots","text":"Yeah, that's just from my my own I would say less than educated knowledge. I don't I'm not a dedicated UAP researcher, but I'm starting to be one, if you will."},{"time":"38:56","seconds":2336,"chapter":21,"chapter_title":"Global hotspots","text":"What What do you What do you say?"},{"time":"38:57","seconds":2337,"chapter":21,"chapter_title":"Global hotspots","text":"Well, yeah. I mean, Preston Denn wrote a book called Undersea UFO based."},{"time":"39:00","seconds":2340,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"I've read it. I read it. See, that that's where unfortunately you get into total speculation. Not again, not not to hammer him. It's an informative book"},{"time":"39:09","seconds":2349,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"because all those eyewitness accounts are are serious. These are people who saw things. But at the end of the book, I I find some fault with what he did. He"},{"time":"39:16","seconds":2356,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"he went and there's this whole line of on social media somewhere about this feature off of SoCal called Sycamore Null."},{"time":"39:24","seconds":2364,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"Yeah. Point Doom off the coast of That's right. and he he puts it in his book and ultimately that that that area has been so thoroughly researched. There"},{"time":"39:32","seconds":2372,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"was even a peer-reviewed marine geology publication on that on and and it was surveyed extensively and there's the"},{"time":"39:39","seconds":2379,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"geologists all come up with various theories about how it was formed. But that that that what he when he speculates that's the undersea base,"},{"time":"39:47","seconds":2387,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"he's totally off the mark. It's been so thoroughly surveyed there's it's it's just not. I mean it was sub also subbottom profilers that go under"},{"time":"39:56","seconds":2396,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"the seafloor to look at the geological structure. There was no alien base there."},{"time":"39:59","seconds":2399,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"Yeah because I occasionally surf at point doom and I you know I had some friends who I actually I believe a mutual friend you know Will O'Brien at Ulyses."},{"time":"40:08","seconds":2408,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"Yeah that's right."},{"time":"40:09","seconds":2409,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"So I was like Will we got to get your rover and you know put it down there and let's see. And we did a little bit of preliminary research and but for the context for the audience this is"},{"time":"40:17","seconds":2417,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"somebody with a startup who builds these amazing deep sea rovers and uh we did the research and we're like I don't think there's anything it's not even"},{"time":"40:25","seconds":2425,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"worth the resources to like look it wouldn't have been unfortunately but still holding out hope maybe for Catalina."},{"time":"40:30","seconds":2430,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"Well hey look at this I have uh right and so this is how common this is becoming. So my my my middle daughter is"},{"time":"40:39","seconds":2439,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"at the Naval Academy. She's a midshipman. I'm very proud of her. Congrats."},{"time":"40:43","seconds":2443,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"Thank you. And and she's studying oceanography just like her parents. And uh and her she swims on the swim team"},{"time":"40:49","seconds":2449,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"like her parents and uh and so it's fun to see. But her teammate uh her teammate has a father who is just retired as a"},{"time":"40:57","seconds":2457,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"F18 pilot, formerly F-14 pilot, so Navy captain. and they live in Pacific Palisades and and they've seen they've"},{"time":"41:07","seconds":2467,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"seen UAP over the channel litted in formation several like white lights clearly operating under intelligent control. Uh I mean and it was funny"},{"time":"41:16","seconds":2476,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"because when we first met he'd known that I speak up about this and the family shared with me, oh yeah, we see these things."},{"time":"41:21","seconds":2481,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"Yeah, there are a lot of reports around Catalina. I'm I'm a big fan of this sort of mid-century uh inventor named Thomas Townsen Brown"},{"time":"41:29","seconds":2489,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"and he had a UFO experience on Catalina Island. What happened?"},{"time":"41:32","seconds":2492,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"He was being approached. This is, by the way, his daughter relaying this. Um, he he passed away in 1985. Um, but he was being approached by this orb."},{"time":"41:43","seconds":2503,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"Yes. And I know the exact spot. It approached him."},{"time":"41:48","seconds":2508,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"It actually approached him. And he said that he learned so much standing there with that ball of"},{"time":"41:55","seconds":2515,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"light. And he said he went to work immediately and he worked. That was that was the beginning of his legacy."},{"time":"42:03","seconds":2523,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"And I guess he then sort of approached the orb and they had this like almost like communion moment with this sort of glowing orb. And according to his"},{"time":"42:12","seconds":2532,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"daughter, that was when he downloaded his life's work and he had a lab in Pasadena at the time and he he went back to the lab and he"},{"time":"42:21","seconds":2541,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"just, you know, really started working on this. He was actually became a Navy man after that. You know, this is interesting because now I'm on this UAP"},{"time":"42:28","seconds":2548,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"science advisory council reporting to OD and I and we're starting to dig into all these pursue files and there's this one report"},{"time":"42:36","seconds":2556,"chapter":22,"chapter_title":"Dennett and debunking Sycamore Knoll","text":"that came out about these law enforcement agents that are at a national security site somewhere uh in the west and they"},{"time":"42:45","seconds":2565,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"have all these interactions with orbs and one's even a mother ship of orbs that launches other orbs from it. And"},{"time":"42:52","seconds":2572,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"and this is uh and this is something actually that uh Avi Lo, our chair, wrote about in one of his medium"},{"time":"43:00","seconds":2580,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"articles because this these are legitimate witnesses. And then then John Kazowski for the record stating that a large percent of these orbs just have no"},{"time":"43:08","seconds":2588,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"explanation. There's nothing that we have that we that we could it's not weather. It's not some technology. It's not some laser effect. They're they're"},{"time":"43:16","seconds":2596,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"they're seriously just not sure what these are. So that that's he so we're starting to look at ways to describe how"},{"time":"43:24","seconds":2604,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"do you produce these orbs? What are they? And we're starting to to research these because they're seen all everywhere all the time just and yeah. So that's that's a a"},{"time":"43:33","seconds":2613,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"serious line of investigation. I'm going to go under this as a member of this"},{"time":"43:38","seconds":2618,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"council to go meet with uh two engineers at um uh off the coast. They've been"},{"time":"43:46","seconds":2626,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"researching off the coast of Long Island. M Jerry and John Tedesco. Oh yeah. You know the Tedesco brothers."},{"time":"43:51","seconds":2631,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"Yeah. They have some serious data of orbs off offshore. Some going into the water and and so now this is a legitimate line of research for us."},{"time":"44:00","seconds":2640,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"So I'm I'm going to go up there. We're actually I'm not going to go there."},{"time":"44:03","seconds":2643,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"We're going to go to Maine and that's just the location we're going to meet."},{"time":"44:05","seconds":2645,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"I'm going to review their data and hopefully hopefully share that with the rest of the council and and and start doing a little more a little more. I"},{"time":"44:13","seconds":2653,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"mean, their council has a number of different types of psychologists, engineers, physicists, oceanographers like me. So, we're going to go all go"},{"time":"44:21","seconds":2661,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"after this and see uh if we can get improve our understanding what these are actually."},{"time":"44:28","seconds":2668,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"That's amazing. Well, they were a big part of tracking the jersey drone flap."},{"time":"44:32","seconds":2672,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"Um in 2024, Trump made a really interesting, you know, as Trump tends to do, kind of sheets from the hip. And after that"},{"time":"44:40","seconds":2680,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"Jersey drone flap, he was like, \"Uh, we know where they're coming from. They're coming from a garage.\" Look,"},{"time":"44:47","seconds":2687,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"our military knows where they took off from. If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went."},{"time":"44:57","seconds":2697,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"Something strange is going on. For some reason, they don't want to tell the people."},{"time":"45:00","seconds":2700,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"And it seemed to be implying that, you know, he thinks that they're coming from underwater. And there were sightings of course around that time off the coast"},{"time":"45:08","seconds":2708,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"where it seemed like these UAPs were emerging from the water. So I yeah I don't know I actually that's a big question mark for me the Jersey drones."},{"time":"45:16","seconds":2716,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"I don't know their nature. I have a good friend named Greg Scaduto who now works with Ryan Graves at Americans for Safe Aerospace and he wrote a terrific"},{"time":"45:24","seconds":2724,"chapter":23,"chapter_title":"Law enforcement orb encounters","text":"article. It got published in the Rolling Stone about the New Jersey drones. I encourage your listeners to check it"},{"time":"45:31","seconds":2731,"chapter":24,"chapter_title":"The New Jersey drones","text":"out. 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I can't say a whole lot more, but I'm with a team of very esteemed"},{"time":"48:31","seconds":2911,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"archaeologists and geologists that uh we believe we found the a region in the u Atlantic that is uh fits all the"},{"time":"48:40","seconds":2920,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"descriptions of Plato's d in Plato's dialogues where he talks about Atlantis at length with actual dimensions of the"},{"time":"48:49","seconds":2929,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"width of the canal and system and uh other features of it that I won't go into because I don't want the location"},{"time":"48:56","seconds":2936,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"revealed. field, but we we believe we found a an area we have some proprietary bethimemetry uh and we it's very high"},{"time":"49:04","seconds":2944,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"resolution and the region that um he points to basically there are a lot of features there that that correspond to exactly how Plato described it."},{"time":"49:14","seconds":2954,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"Wow."},{"time":"49:15","seconds":2955,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"So we uh we're in the just today I had the most amazing development. I can't say who, but a very very well-funded"},{"time":"49:23","seconds":2963,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"researcher with uh a very high-end ship and a remotely operated vehicle is in wants to take our wants to take the brief. He wants to hear Wow."},{"time":"49:32","seconds":2972,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"Yeah. And this happened today and I'm thrilled because this guy could make it make this expedition happen this summer."},{"time":"49:40","seconds":2980,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"That is so exciting."},{"time":"49:40","seconds":2980,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"I know. I know. I mean, I'm praying because we we we he's got a ship and he could and this ship does he's he owns"},{"time":"49:48","seconds":2988,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"it. He could do whatever he wants with it and if he really feels the need we we might be diving on that thing real soon."},{"time":"49:54","seconds":2994,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"That's amazing, man. Well, if you need a water boy, let me know."},{"time":"49:58","seconds":2998,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"Right. Uh well, anyways, I Yeah, I'm going to more to follow."},{"time":"50:02","seconds":3002,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"Very very cool. Can I speculate and can you you don't have to say anything as to where this thing might be? 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So there's there's all the all the physics and all the all the human history. We're not talking a million years ago or a billion. We're talking"},{"time":"50:53","seconds":3053,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"within the span of of human civilization before Egypt. But yeah."},{"time":"50:57","seconds":3057,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"Yeah. Well, pre the9s, uh, you know, if anyone were to say that the civilization was as old as Geekbecy"},{"time":"51:05","seconds":3065,"chapter":27,"chapter_title":"Searching for Atlantis","text":"said it was, they'd think they were crazy. It's the history of archaeology is the history of things getting older."},{"time":"51:11","seconds":3071,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"And it's like Mo's law or something where the number of transistors on a chip. It's bas literally a law you could basically come up with because the things that are lower in the sediment"},{"time":"51:19","seconds":3079,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"layer are also generally older and the archaeology itself as a field is only 200 years old with the you know"},{"time":"51:27","seconds":3087,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"discoveries of cities of Assyria and Babylonia 200 years ago. It's fascinating, huh?"},{"time":"51:32","seconds":3092,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"It is fascinating. And so I think the idea not necessarily Atlantis is a placeholder term that comes from you"},{"time":"51:41","seconds":3101,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"know Solon relaying this myth to to Plato. I think a lot of people discount that because it was told at this mythos"},{"time":"51:49","seconds":3109,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"festival of Tomus and Creta when in fact you know I think a lot of Plato's stuff was probably actually onlogically true"},{"time":"51:57","seconds":3117,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"and real. And a good a good example of something like this is Troy was supposedly fictional and Hinrich von"},{"time":"52:04","seconds":3124,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"Schlimman this kind of amateur German businessman found it. Yeah."},{"time":"52:08","seconds":3128,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"And and I like that because exactly it's someone who's not mainstream in archaeology who and he find this in fact"},{"time":"52:15","seconds":3135,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"here the the person who is leading this research effort uh I again not going to name his name but he he's a career emergency room MD."},{"time":"52:26","seconds":3146,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"Whoa. He's not he's not has nothing to do with archaeology but he and it's a good story uh because it takes people who are outside the system to have a a"},{"time":"52:36","seconds":3156,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"more you know p practical view of and this is this occurs in all fields so he uh because he's an ER doc uh stressful"},{"time":"52:45","seconds":3165,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"job and so he would on weekends just look up things that were interesting and and he kind of got down this this Atlantis rabbit hole and started reading"},{"time":"52:53","seconds":3173,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"the original dialogues and doing and just over 10 years of time compounding a great deal of of open-source geologic"},{"time":"53:01","seconds":3181,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"and archaeological information and then then bringing on advisors. He's bringing on and so this is I I'm really glad I'm a recent adviser. I came in just because"},{"time":"53:09","seconds":3189,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"of my oceanography experience and and what I did um so I set him up there's another researcher and because we I want"},{"time":"53:17","seconds":3197,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"to keep this private I'm not going to name him who has been researching uh UAP and moon structures. Okay, I I"},{"time":"53:25","seconds":3205,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"won't name him now. Uh so he comes to me and and we we end up just sharing information and staying in touch because"},{"time":"53:33","seconds":3213,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"I like his approach. This is really interesting research. He's anybody who is approaching the these fields with a real objective and bright mind. He's a"},{"time":"53:41","seconds":3221,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"physicist for example and uh okay I want to he might have been on my show but oh actually after when all this comes out I'll lecture him to you. He's a neat"},{"time":"53:49","seconds":3229,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"guy. Oh cool. Uh he's yeah he's the one researching moon and Mars structures."},{"time":"53:54","seconds":3234,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"Uh, he's not it's not Max Direct Shawnie."},{"time":"53:56","seconds":3236,"chapter":28,"chapter_title":"Göbekli Tepe and lost history","text":"It is. Oh, okay. I was going to Well, then if Well, then then that's fine. I don't mind having his name out there."},{"time":"54:01","seconds":3241,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"Yeah, he's he's been on. So, yeah. And he's a friend. He's amazing. He's so hard-headed. Gosh, I know."},{"time":"54:07","seconds":3247,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"Very deep and and I wouldn't want to debate him as Oh my gosh. No, I'm not in his league."},{"time":"54:12","seconds":3252,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"But uh yeah, so it is Max and uh in fact but so Max came up with this uh"},{"time":"54:19","seconds":3259,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"algorithm that is is searching for um I guess terrain and search looks at any"},{"time":"54:26","seconds":3266,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"kind of um 3D topographical data set and and the algorithm and someone else developed it so I I don't"},{"time":"54:34","seconds":3274,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"want to and I don't know who that is. I forgot his name. But but so so just a full disclosure there. But the algorithm can determine with I think a high"},{"time":"54:42","seconds":3282,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"probability what is natural and what is humanmade or or artificial and and then you can and so what I did is I said this"},{"time":"54:50","seconds":3290,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"would be really good for our Atlantis region bethimemetry. M and so I I connected Max and and this"},{"time":"54:57","seconds":3297,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"researcher and they got along and that's and that connection eventually lead is leading us to potentially this very wealthy ocean researcher with a ship."},{"time":"55:06","seconds":3306,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"Wow."},{"time":"55:07","seconds":3307,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"So I find this so this is like a very broad philosophical uh pitch here. I never say no to anyone who reaches out"},{"time":"55:15","seconds":3315,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"to me. I I don't I don't not answer emails. Every now and then I get some really strange things. I I don't answer those. But but if there is a very"},{"time":"55:23","seconds":3323,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"legitimate credible person who says I'm very interested I want to contribute and sometimes I just got to say thanks I'll keep your name and you know when I'm"},{"time":"55:31","seconds":3331,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"ready to to when there's something that comes that we could use you for. But I just it's just to me it's I don't like being rude and I like I know the"},{"time":"55:40","seconds":3340,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"opportunities arise when you build a network and maintain it. And that that's exactly what happened with Max. Okay."},{"time":"55:46","seconds":3346,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"I'm busy with and it was it was you know every new person that has more information sometimes hard to keep track of but I knew Max had that real"},{"time":"55:53","seconds":3353,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"intellect that I this is a guy worth knowing and now he might make this whole Atlantis thing a victory."},{"time":"55:58","seconds":3358,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"That's so exciting. Well, I I really hope it happens and yeah, he's the exactly the right mind to kind of help with, you know, efforts like this cuz"},{"time":"56:06","seconds":3366,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"he's he's very hard-headed and uh yeah, really kind of lucid as a thinker. So, right. There's someone else in that category I want to bring up quickly."},{"time":"56:15","seconds":3375,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"Sure. And I'm not sure where this will go, but um I happen to also not say no and to a person who reached out to me"},{"time":"56:22","seconds":3382,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"who is a writer and um his name is uh um Richard Bellho and uh he's got a book"},{"time":"56:29","seconds":3389,"chapter":29,"chapter_title":"Lunar and Martian structures","text":"called the full extent and he wrote a really thoughtful long form article called um human to humanoid"},{"time":"56:37","seconds":3397,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"and you could look up his website. uh Richard Butel. What's interesting about him besides just being again a deep"},{"time":"56:44","seconds":3404,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"thinker on this topic uh is now you might know we've gotten a lot of traction in the media uh and so for"},{"time":"56:51","seconds":3411,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"example I was on Brett Bear's show uh Jake Tapper show uh Sean Ryan show yours now."},{"time":"56:57","seconds":3417,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"There you go. And uh and so Rick is the one who got me the Brett Bear interview."},{"time":"57:04","seconds":3424,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"And he's the one he's my been my private uh kind of confidant in getting to to Brett, which is big get having that and"},{"time":"57:11","seconds":3431,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"and is I think is is really helping our movement and and he remains interested."},{"time":"57:16","seconds":3436,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"Uh, so he and not only did he interview me, he interviewed I think Carl Nell, uh, may David Grush, David Grush, Jay Stratton, but basically"},{"time":"57:25","seconds":3445,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"once once Rick came to me, then I ended up vectoring Brett to all those folks and he he got them all on. So that that's been a big kick for us of getting"},{"time":"57:34","seconds":3454,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"the credibility established and mainstreaming this. So I want to give Rick a shout out, too. It's one of these shout out. They're out there. Yeah."},{"time":"57:41","seconds":3461,"chapter":30,"chapter_title":"Richard Botelho","text":"Yeah. I'll say this and you you should say nothing, but I think the Azors is interesting. The reason I say that is because I'm friends with Randall Carlson. Oh, yeah."},{"time":"57:49","seconds":3469,"chapter":31,"chapter_title":"The Azores and Younger Dryas","text":"And he is uh probably as deep as anybody I know when it comes to Plato and you know the historical accuracy of like"},{"time":"57:57","seconds":3477,"chapter":31,"chapter_title":"The Azores and Younger Dryas","text":"where Atlantis would actually be located. And so he he puts it in the Azor. It's a very broad region. 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And in the middle"},{"time":"1:00:23","seconds":3623,"chapter":32,"chapter_title":"The Baltic Sea Anomaly","text":"of the Baltic Sea, kind of smack dab between Sweden and Finland, he finds this thing that looks like the Millennium Falcon as far as the shape."},{"time":"1:00:30","seconds":3630,"chapter":32,"chapter_title":"The Baltic Sea Anomaly","text":"Um, and it and it like it it seems like it's emitting all sorts of electromagnetic anomalies."},{"time":"1:00:36","seconds":3636,"chapter":32,"chapter_title":"The Baltic Sea Anomaly","text":"Lost GPS very close to the to the object. Oh my god."},{"time":"1:00:42","seconds":3642,"chapter":32,"chapter_title":"The Baltic Sea Anomaly","text":"We're right above the spot right above the Baltic Sea anomaly and they send rovers down there and the rovers go off the uh GPS failures occur"},{"time":"1:00:51","seconds":3651,"chapter":32,"chapter_title":"The Baltic Sea Anomaly","text":"all the time. It's it's actually very similar to Skinwalker Ranch in many ways."},{"time":"1:00:54","seconds":3654,"chapter":32,"chapter_title":"The Baltic Sea Anomaly","text":"Oh, let's talk about that, too. Well, I want to talk about both because the subplot to me of the show, Secrets of"},{"time":"1:01:02","seconds":3662,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"Skinwalker Ranch and basically the Baltic Sea Anomaly is that we've located"},{"time":"1:01:09","seconds":3669,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"UFOs or at least UFOs in that they're unidentified and they have bizarre properties. I'm not saying they're flying objects. I'm not saying they were"},{"time":"1:01:16","seconds":3676,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"formally flying. I'm just saying there's a lot of anomalies and there are sort of weird attributes to them."},{"time":"1:01:21","seconds":3681,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"Right. And you're talking about the one in the mesa."},{"time":"1:01:24","seconds":3684,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"The one in the mesa. Exactly. And it's like we've located them, but we it's hard to actually extract them because it's like they have a life of their own."},{"time":"1:01:33","seconds":3693,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"So, I'd love to get more of a a more robust oceanographic team out to anomaly"},{"time":"1:01:39","seconds":3699,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"to research it because Dennis doesn't have infinite resources. It's hard to go to sea and do research like you did. Uh,"},{"time":"1:01:47","seconds":3707,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"and and that's so potentially like with Atlantis, if I can get one of these higherend well-funded oceanographic"},{"time":"1:01:54","seconds":3714,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"researchers to explore that, I I'd like to. So, I'm looking for opportunities."},{"time":"1:01:59","seconds":3719,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"But going back to the ranch, a recent development for me and it's exciting and interesting is that uh and it was"},{"time":"1:02:07","seconds":3727,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"actually because um Brandon Fugal, the owner, he and I are had this common I I'll call it a difference of opinion"},{"time":"1:02:16","seconds":3736,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"with the former AROW director uh Sean Kirkpatrick. And that sort of united us in a little in a way we started communicating and he said and he invited"},{"time":"1:02:24","seconds":3744,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"my wife and I out to the ranch. by the way. Um I I want to talk remote viewing because my wife has completed Paul Smith's courses. Wow."},{"time":"1:02:32","seconds":3752,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"And we should go there. Yeah. But uh so which is really neat and um and so we communicated and he invited us out. So we went out and we had this"},{"time":"1:02:41","seconds":3761,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"great day together. Uh and it just it was really something that the show doesn't necessarily highlight purposefully, but it is so beautiful out"},{"time":"1:02:48","seconds":3768,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"there. I I love the West and it's just a great location. We didn't have anything anomalous occur. Uh but uh but we got"},{"time":"1:02:57","seconds":3777,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"the whole history and and we learned the their scientific method which is terrific."},{"time":"1:03:01","seconds":3781,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"Yeah, I'm I'm I'm fascinated by it. It's and I don't know a lot of people, you know, say, \"Oh, it's like the modern Oak Island or whatever.\" Oak Island's very"},{"time":"1:03:09","seconds":3789,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"different. Okay. Like they were looking for the Ark of the Covenant and the whole show is them not finding the Ark of the Covenant. Secrets of Skinwalker"},{"time":"1:03:16","seconds":3796,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"Ranch, they're finding interesting stuff on every show."},{"time":"1:03:20","seconds":3800,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"So it's like entirely different. It's not like there's this one binary event, you know, after all this buildup. It's like an accumulation of evidence. So,"},{"time":"1:03:28","seconds":3808,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"yeah. And and we you have to appreciate too the history here. Recall that DIA funded a two-year or so effort to"},{"time":"1:03:36","seconds":3816,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"research the ranch. And this is the books that Jim Latsky and Cole Keller wrote with George Knap. Yep."},{"time":"1:03:42","seconds":3822,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"Then the the follow on that Jim wrote, Future Visions and New Insights, I think they're called. But that that he documents fully the research done there"},{"time":"1:03:50","seconds":3830,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"all the anomalies many witnesses this is a government funded I mean actually some people he likes to say or maybe it's him or somebody that that that's basically"},{"time":"1:03:59","seconds":3839,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"disclosure right there that those books a funded effort now and and um so and it's transition now to uh the the nature"},{"time":"1:04:07","seconds":3847,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"of of the of the show right now on History Channel but but serious real research that Travis is leading yeah definitely and a lot of those derds"},{"time":"1:04:15","seconds":3855,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"that came out of that period OAP and you know what Bigalow was doing."},{"time":"1:04:19","seconds":3859,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"It was a lot of really impressive scientists who were kind of doing the research. These are serious people. Yeah. Exactly."},{"time":"1:04:24","seconds":3864,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"Absolutely. And it's interesting to me that academia is so kind of you know dismissive of a lot of these things because"},{"time":"1:04:32","seconds":3872,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"academia actually here's so uh I have a book you know out here and it's uh called holding fast and heavy seas."},{"time":"1:04:40","seconds":3880,"chapter":33,"chapter_title":"Skinwalker Ranch","text":"Go buy it Amazon. It's on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, my website, timgalet.com."},{"time":"1:04:46","seconds":3886,"chapter":34,"chapter_title":"Holding Fast in Heavy Seas","text":"And it's about my leadership in the Navy and then at Noah during Trump's first term. And you know, ultimately the what it's about is that Trump is a very"},{"time":"1:04:54","seconds":3894,"chapter":34,"chapter_title":"Holding Fast in Heavy Seas","text":"challenging executive to work for. Uh but uh and even though we we had I dealt with that, uh we were able to achieve at"},{"time":"1:05:02","seconds":3902,"chapter":34,"chapter_title":"Holding Fast in Heavy Seas","text":"this agency I worked at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Noah, a lot of really significant environmental wins. wins for the ocean,"},{"time":"1:05:09","seconds":3909,"chapter":34,"chapter_title":"Holding Fast in Heavy Seas","text":"for ocean technology, for weather and uh um and that this it's just a story of how to prevail when it can be difficult."},{"time":"1:05:16","seconds":3916,"chapter":34,"chapter_title":"Holding Fast in Heavy Seas","text":"And so, and just like right now, okay, the the a lot of people are have a hard time with many of what Trump things"},{"time":"1:05:24","seconds":3924,"chapter":34,"chapter_title":"Holding Fast in Heavy Seas","text":"Trump is doing, the Iran war, what have you. But, uh but there are things he's also doing that are very good. And I I there's his science adviser, Michael"},{"time":"1:05:32","seconds":3932,"chapter":34,"chapter_title":"Holding Fast in Heavy Seas","text":"Casios. I I I worked with him in during the first term. and and and I think he's taken a a good approach. Granted, a lot"},{"time":"1:05:40","seconds":3940,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"of funding cuts everybody has a problem with, but there's plenty of of private sector research occurring right now. And that's really what he's working to"},{"time":"1:05:47","seconds":3947,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"embrace is all the advances in the private sector. And and and so my point is this that that a lot of uh the American scientific enterprise,"},{"time":"1:05:56","seconds":3956,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"mainstream science has become, and Avi writes about this all the time, basically gunshy. They're they're just they refuse to innovate and use frontier"},{"time":"1:06:05","seconds":3965,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"tech. They've sort of just gravitated towards the mean. And I think I think Avi and and Michael Crafty I think they're right."},{"time":"1:06:12","seconds":3972,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"And this is what this UAP thinking is about. This embracing the potential for Atlantis to be and go search for it."},{"time":"1:06:19","seconds":3979,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"It's just not not being afraid willing to think outside the box. And that that just in terms of in terms of the way you think and and so I think in mainstream"},{"time":"1:06:28","seconds":3988,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"science they're just because they they won't look into UAP seriously and and and that's so that those are the things I'm trying to change. That's what my"},{"time":"1:06:36","seconds":3996,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"book's about is is working to uh address things as as you see them for the truth that they are. Yeah. I agree. I think I"},{"time":"1:06:45","seconds":4005,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"think the kind of Overton window things just get very narrow."},{"time":"1:06:49","seconds":4009,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"Exactly. at the end of a paradigm and often things that are not taken seriously uh end up, you know, being becoming the mainstream in the future."},{"time":"1:06:57","seconds":4017,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"And if you can't point to anything that isn't received knowledge that you're not, you know, somewhat into or interested in or think might become"},{"time":"1:07:06","seconds":4026,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"received knowledge or mainstream in the future, then you're definitely on the wrong side of history, right?"},{"time":"1:07:12","seconds":4032,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"You have to be kind of inherently. If you just look at the history of science and human knowledge, there's a decay rate on present knowledge and there's always new knowledge coming in. So,"},{"time":"1:07:20","seconds":4040,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"yeah, I think being totally close-minded to that is kind of dogmatic. Um, and I agree with you. Good. Yeah, exactly right. I'm glad."},{"time":"1:07:28","seconds":4048,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"Thank you. I appreciate you addressing that."},{"time":"1:07:30","seconds":4050,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"The other thing I wonder is how much kind of, you know, signatures, whether it be radar, you know, actually move the"},{"time":"1:07:37","seconds":4057,"chapter":35,"chapter_title":"Working with the administration","text":"needle. Like I feel like we need the threshold for evidence because you know I just debated Michael Shurmer who's a fellow UAP advisory council member on on"},{"time":"1:07:45","seconds":4065,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"the show and um it's like the threshold for evidence for a lot of you know people to believe that there's even a there there is really"},{"time":"1:07:54","seconds":4074,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"high like you you need like cuz I brought up like this Japan Airlines case in 1986 I believe. I know that. Yeah."},{"time":"1:08:01","seconds":4081,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"Where it's like you have 45 minutes of publicly available radar data."},{"time":"1:08:06","seconds":4086,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"physicists who reviewed it like Kevin Kuth who's also on the review panel and he's saying that you know I think these"},{"time":"1:08:12","seconds":4092,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"show you know UFOs present and you have you have two objects and then you have a large like almost aircraft carrier sized"},{"time":"1:08:19","seconds":4099,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"walnutshaped object following this thing and then you have this you know what seems like a very above board pilot who"},{"time":"1:08:27","seconds":4107,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"I believe he was you know military before he became a commercial pilot for for for decades and you know Japan"},{"time":"1:08:34","seconds":4114,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"Japanese culture It's like they're not histrionic or attention seeking at all."},{"time":"1:08:39","seconds":4119,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"And so, you know, you have that and you have and then you have the Nimtt's case where it's similar profile with David Fraver and you have Fleer alongside it."},{"time":"1:08:46","seconds":4126,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"So, like say you get the radar for Nimmits like at what what point do we just admit that there's a there there. I"},{"time":"1:08:53","seconds":4133,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"mean, you then you get optical on top of that. Like I I'm I'm not I'm still guessing some subset of the population"},{"time":"1:09:00","seconds":4140,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"if we had optical radar and fleer, you know, in a specific instance with a high credibility witness, they would still be"},{"time":"1:09:07","seconds":4147,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"holding out. Yeah, that seems to be Well, remember this this whole stigmatization has been an 80-year"},{"time":"1:09:15","seconds":4155,"chapter":36,"chapter_title":"Shermer and Japan Airlines 1628","text":"campaign and it's been very effective and wellunded. It started after the Robertson panel and we all So, this is"},{"time":"1:09:22","seconds":4162,"chapter":37,"chapter_title":"The Robertson Panel","text":"it's just that's why it's so hard to break."},{"time":"1:09:25","seconds":4165,"chapter":37,"chapter_title":"The Robertson Panel","text":"No one's it's not open yet, but it's becoming open. And I think the I really think uh well, there's two things. The more the public has to be accepting and"},{"time":"1:09:33","seconds":4173,"chapter":37,"chapter_title":"The Robertson Panel","text":"that's occurring. And then I think it's important for authoritative sources to acknowledge this reality and that might be what is occurring um with our"},{"time":"1:09:42","seconds":4182,"chapter":37,"chapter_title":"The Robertson Panel","text":"government right now. It's again, it's still it's a work in progress with the pursue files. Again, there's no metadata there, but there's a whole lot of UAP"},{"time":"1:09:50","seconds":4190,"chapter":37,"chapter_title":"The Robertson Panel","text":"activity in those videos and reports. So we I think that's what it's going to take. I think it's going to take uh our"},{"time":"1:09:57","seconds":4197,"chapter":37,"chapter_title":"The Robertson Panel","text":"government because we all we do show leadership in many areas still we still do. Uh it's going to it like I'm doing with a science advisory count council"},{"time":"1:10:06","seconds":4206,"chapter":37,"chapter_title":"The Robertson Panel","text":"with ODNI. It's it's got to be the the the White House saying okay there we here's what we have. Well, speaking of"},{"time":"1:10:15","seconds":4215,"chapter":37,"chapter_title":"The Robertson Panel","text":"um kind of people who are more open-minded and adventurous, I think I read somewhere that you might be working with Victor Visco on the Atlantis front"},{"time":"1:10:23","seconds":4223,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"or he's a good friend of mine. Yeah."},{"time":"1:10:25","seconds":4225,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"Okay. So, I I got I met him through my work at Noah and and so we signed an agreement together. We were at a Capitol"},{"time":"1:10:33","seconds":4233,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"Hill event uh and I introduced him and that's how we started our relationship."},{"time":"1:10:37","seconds":4237,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"And the agreement we had was he had built this submersible that could go to the full ocean depth, deepest part of the ocean, the Challenger Deep in the"},{"time":"1:10:45","seconds":4245,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"Mariana's Trench. And uh he and he bought a ship, a former Navy ship that became a Noah ship and now was his ship"},{"time":"1:10:52","seconds":4252,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"called the pressure drop. And then uh his submersible is called the limiting factor. And he dived to five in 2018 and"},{"time":"1:11:00","seconds":4260,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"19\\. He dived to the five deepest trenches all around the world. No one had ever done it. And he called this the five deeps. And then he did the deepest one, Challenger deep, 14 times or so."},{"time":"1:11:11","seconds":4271,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"And so what we did at Noah is we put a scientist on a ship to help him accurately map all those trenches because none of them had been have been"},{"time":"1:11:19","seconds":4279,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"mapped to modern standards and and fully so so he could say this is the deepest part of that trench and then go dive in it."},{"time":"1:11:26","seconds":4286,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"Some of the trenches that he dived in, we weren't sure what was the deepest part."},{"time":"1:11:30","seconds":4290,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"And so our scientists helped him with that. he shared his data with us because we're we're the um curator of of ba"},{"time":"1:11:37","seconds":4297,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"baometric data for the US ees. So we have this relationship now and uh and yeah he got there because as a member of"},{"time":"1:11:44","seconds":4304,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"the explorers club like me and he had uh um he he started out mountain climbing and he climbed Kilimanjaro and he failed"},{"time":"1:11:52","seconds":4312,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"the first time and he that stealed his resolve and he succeeded the next time and then he decided to climb all the highest peaks in the continents. He I"},{"time":"1:12:01","seconds":4321,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"think he climbed the five and then he skied to the North Pole and the South Pole."},{"time":"1:12:07","seconds":4327,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"So yes, and so that's called the Explorer's Grand Slam."},{"time":"1:12:12","seconds":4332,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"So he did all that and then and he went to space origin. So that was So there you go."},{"time":"1:12:17","seconds":4337,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"Then then he did this because that wasn't enough for him. He did all those five dives and then then he went into space. Yeah, that's nuts."},{"time":"1:12:24","seconds":4344,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"So he's the most vertical human on the planet."},{"time":"1:12:26","seconds":4346,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"Sounds like it sounds like the real life Doseki guy or something. most interesting man in the world. is he is 100% that you know and what's cool is that first of all he's very humble guy"},{"time":"1:12:35","seconds":4355,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"was a Navy intelligence officer uh and um and retired as a commander and so uh one of my favorite uh pictures"},{"time":"1:12:43","seconds":4363,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"in the book is uh the first person to dive into the the Mariana's trench that"},{"time":"1:12:50","seconds":4370,"chapter":38,"chapter_title":"Victor Vescovo and the Five Deeps","text":"Challenger deep part deep seven 35,000 feet so it's seven miles deep was a guy named Don Walsh with a Swiss"},{"time":"1:12:58","seconds":4378,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"oceanographer named Jean Peard in 1960 with a US Navy ba uh bath escape they called it"},{"time":"1:13:05","seconds":4385,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"and uh can't believe they made it just unbelievable expedition so and no one did it after except for James Cameron"},{"time":"1:13:13","seconds":4393,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"once uh and his his his submersible almost didn't make it and then so and so Victor followed them but Victor did"},{"time":"1:13:21","seconds":4401,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"everything right he engineered it perfectly he even pressure tested it and the only tank that can do a full ocean depth simulation it's in Russia And uh"},{"time":"1:13:30","seconds":4410,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"and so anyways, so Victor goes and does that, breaks Don Walsh's record and and and then in 20 22 maybe there was a 90th"},{"time":"1:13:39","seconds":4419,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"birthday party for Don Walsh. And so Victor came and I I came to uh celebrate him or and um and so we got this picture"},{"time":"1:13:47","seconds":4427,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"together. Uh Don Walsh on one side, retired Navy captain who would dive the deepest dive until then. the person who"},{"time":"1:13:56","seconds":4436,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"broke it, Victor Visco, retired Navy commander, and then me in the middle, retired Navy admiral. Uh, and we're"},{"time":"1:14:03","seconds":4443,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"holding at the Explorers Club, the a Navy flag that that Victor signed and took with him and to that deepest dive"},{"time":"1:14:11","seconds":4451,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"in the Mariana's Trench. So, he he actually flew it outside the pressure hall, so it got a little wet and has a little rust on it. But, so I have this"},{"time":"1:14:18","seconds":4458,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"Navy flag. He gave it to me, too. and he it's hanging in my uh my family room and it's uh they know it's been to the deepest part of the ocean."},{"time":"1:14:26","seconds":4466,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"That's special."},{"time":"1:14:26","seconds":4466,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"Yeah, it is so cool. And and that V and that that that picture of all of us together um that uh of all all Navy officers retired."},{"time":"1:14:36","seconds":4476,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"Wow, that's incredible."},{"time":"1:14:37","seconds":4477,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"I'm proud of that. Yeah. Here I am, these two giants, and I'm just happen to be there along for the ride."},{"time":"1:14:42","seconds":4482,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"You're a giant, too. You have an amazing history."},{"time":"1:14:45","seconds":4485,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"Not like those guys, but I don't know. I think you're being humble."},{"time":"1:14:47","seconds":4487,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"But Victor Victor is interested. We gave him the presentation on Atlantis and he said, \"All right, I'm in.\" Wow."},{"time":"1:14:53","seconds":4493,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"Yeah. And u that's a great guy to be working with."},{"time":"1:14:55","seconds":4495,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"He's fantastic. So, one of my favorite things about him, too, is the Navy named a ship after him. No way."},{"time":"1:15:01","seconds":4501,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"Yeah. The surveillance ships that that I mentioned, acoustic intelligence specialist, potentially identifying an"},{"time":"1:15:08","seconds":4508,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"anomalous object in the ocean. Those ship those ships, there's a class of them, a new class that do have active"},{"time":"1:15:15","seconds":4515,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"and passive sonar and find enemy submarines. The new class uh is named after Don Walsh and the first ship is"},{"time":"1:15:23","seconds":4523,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"the Don Walsh and the second ship is the Victor RCOBO. Wow."},{"time":"1:15:26","seconds":4526,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"And we had a big ship naming ceremony with the Secretary of the Navy at the Naval Academy last year and and and Victor invited me."},{"time":"1:15:33","seconds":4533,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"That's amazing."},{"time":"1:15:34","seconds":4534,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"And I was even more proud the night before he had a small family get together, a dinner, and he invited Karen and I and my wife Karen being a Navy diver, uh"},{"time":"1:15:43","seconds":4543,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"we an oceanographer, it was it was a neat it was a really special night."},{"time":"1:15:47","seconds":4547,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"Wow. That's so cool. Do you ever look into the history of the Navy? Like look at I don't know all the time. Yeah. I I I've studied the Navy's history ever since I was a midshipman. I love I love naval history."},{"time":"1:15:57","seconds":4557,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"I I'm you know way more more kind of fair weather fan than than than you are obviously with your uh experience, but"},{"time":"1:16:05","seconds":4565,"chapter":39,"chapter_title":"Don Walsh and the Trieste","text":"um I look into certain people like you know Hyman Rickover and John Pena Craraven and Oh yeah. I I'm always wonder you know what they might have"},{"time":"1:16:13","seconds":4573,"chapter":40,"chapter_title":"Rickover and John Piña Craven","text":"known about UFOs. Himman Rickover is, you know, head of the nuclear navy."},{"time":"1:16:17","seconds":4577,"chapter":40,"chapter_title":"Rickover and John Piña Craven","text":"That's right. And founder. Yeah. Do you think that um Yeah. Do you think those guys ever, you know, knew anything about UFOs uh at"},{"time":"1:16:25","seconds":4585,"chapter":40,"chapter_title":"Rickover and John Piña Craven","text":"all? So, uh probably. And here's something interesting. Just recently, uh and this this builds off research that,"},{"time":"1:16:35","seconds":4595,"chapter":40,"chapter_title":"Rickover and John Piña Craven","text":"uh Sam Gerbus, UAP Gerb, have you had on your show? Yeah, he's been on the show. Yeah. Yeah. He's great."},{"time":"1:16:40","seconds":4600,"chapter":40,"chapter_title":"Rickover and John Piña Craven","text":"Uh yeah. And so he this is something he uncovered that I I thought was remarkable. He found I think it was him"},{"time":"1:16:46","seconds":4606,"chapter":40,"chapter_title":"Rickover and John Piña Craven","text":"uh found a video of former I believe director of national intelligence or naval intelligence Bobby Ray Inman"},{"time":"1:16:54","seconds":4614,"chapter":40,"chapter_title":"Rickover and John Piña Craven","text":"Admiral uh he mentioned dur this is well after retirement at some event he mentioned the national under underwater or"},{"time":"1:17:03","seconds":4623,"chapter":40,"chapter_title":"Rickover and John Piña Craven","text":"undersea reconnaissance office neuro uh and so he he basically acknowledged it was a real thing. In all my years in the"},{"time":"1:17:12","seconds":4632,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"Navy as as the O head oceanographer and knowing having access to undersea classified programs, I've never even heard of that organization."},{"time":"1:17:20","seconds":4640,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"Really? No, I never I didn't think it was real. Whoa."},{"time":"1:17:24","seconds":4644,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"So, obviously it is real and it is so classified. I didn't even get a reading. Whoa."},{"time":"1:17:29","seconds":4649,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"You would think the head oceanographer that that there'd be some there's there's no boundary. There's a boundary there and and I I didn't cross it."},{"time":"1:17:37","seconds":4657,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"Well, you you look up. So, yeah. Nuro's National Underwater Reconnaissance Office. You look it up and the Wikipedia is five lines long."},{"time":"1:17:46","seconds":4666,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"And I mean, even the NRO, which they I guess they call it the the the the little brother to the NRO or the undersea brother. And the NRO um was"},{"time":"1:17:55","seconds":4675,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"only I think made public in the '9s. So for for for 20 30 years, I think it was totally off the bus."},{"time":"1:18:01","seconds":4681,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"That's right. That's right. So that that and I know I know why because at least that again undersea technology is that's"},{"time":"1:18:09","seconds":4689,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"can't be compromised because that's will keep our shore safe keep keep give us an edge in in any fight and uh um so and"},{"time":"1:18:18","seconds":4698,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"it's interesting for example there's a book out there called Blind Man's Bluff book."},{"time":"1:18:21","seconds":4701,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"Oh yeah so that and and that's um uh a lot a lot of the uh submarine community is not happy about that book being published. Oh yeah it's all their"},{"time":"1:18:30","seconds":4710,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"trade secrets. So but ultimately uh so that's how tight that kind of a technology capability is and if if as in"},{"time":"1:18:38","seconds":4718,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"our earlier discussion there are undersea UAP uh those would be the assets that would have observed them."},{"time":"1:18:46","seconds":4726,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"Interesting."},{"time":"1:18:47","seconds":4727,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"And that and so ultimately then that means yeah there there are Navy folks who uh uh admirals in history who who"},{"time":"1:18:55","seconds":4735,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"probably knew about this. Uh I I but I don't know for sure because Bobby Ray Inman I believe set up Nuro according to Gerb and he then I"},{"time":"1:19:05","seconds":4745,"chapter":41,"chapter_title":"NURO and the NRO","text":"believe on a phone call with Bobby Oxler this UFO researcher says yeah maybe UFOs might come out at some point kind of implying like he knows there's a there's"},{"time":"1:19:12","seconds":4752,"chapter":42,"chapter_title":"The Inman phone call","text":"a there there do do you uh anticipate that any of the recovered vehicles would ever be uh"},{"time":"1:19:22","seconds":4762,"chapter":42,"chapter_title":"The Inman phone call","text":"become available for uh technological research? Again, I honestly don't know. Uh there's a possibility."},{"time":"1:19:29","seconds":4769,"chapter":42,"chapter_title":"The Inman phone call","text":"And so, yeah, who knows? But, uh so here's something interesting, too. Uh I believe it's the abyss. There's a a"},{"time":"1:19:37","seconds":4777,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"thread there somewhere in the movie about these divers using liquid oxygen or or or a derivative basically"},{"time":"1:19:46","seconds":4786,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"immersing in in the and having a fully um not breathing air but breathing a liquid which sounds terrifying to me because you basically got to drown first, right?"},{"time":"1:19:55","seconds":4795,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"And and in the movie they take a rat and do you remember this part of it? They take a rat and they put him into the solution and it's of course reacts."},{"time":"1:20:06","seconds":4806,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"Doesn't want to drown. All of a sudden it inhales the water and feels starts to breathe. You don't know about this, do you? No. So, here you go. No, man. She's going to drown. Look."},{"time":"1:20:14","seconds":4814,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"Look. She's freaking out."},{"time":"1:20:15","seconds":4815,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"She's going through a normal adjustment period. Norma, does this look normal to you? She's going to drown. He's taking the fluid into his lungs."},{"time":"1:20:22","seconds":4822,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"He's taking the fluid into his lungs."},{"time":"1:20:27","seconds":4827,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"There he goes. So, there's a bit of anxiety here now. He's starting to relax. He's breathing fine. See his chest moving, getting plenty of oxygen."},{"time":"1:20:38","seconds":4838,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"Damn rat's breathing that The There is a There is a a a special unit, I'm not going to say exactly where, of"},{"time":"1:20:46","seconds":4846,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"Navy divers that have experimented with that technology. Whoa."},{"time":"1:20:50","seconds":4850,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"And it gives them longer bottom times and all this, but it's very um dangerous. And um and so this is a very"},{"time":"1:20:58","seconds":4858,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"uh highly classified unit that uh I know about and my wife didn't even know about this until I learned later. And so they experiment with that kind of technology."},{"time":"1:21:08","seconds":4868,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"And if any anybody does crash retrieval, by the way, Eric Davis has said there are more crash retrieval operations that"},{"time":"1:21:16","seconds":4876,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"have been occurred in the ocean than elsewhere."},{"time":"1:21:19","seconds":4879,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"That's wild. And then so and the units that do that is these guys."},{"time":"1:21:23","seconds":4883,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"Whoa. Oh, so is does an admiral know about that in the past and today?"},{"time":"1:21:28","seconds":4888,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"Probably. And they they don't say anything."},{"time":"1:21:30","seconds":4890,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"I wonder about like Glowar Explorer too, huge corporation and a lot of these kind of So they were they were the ones that was the one to recover the the Soviet sub."},{"time":"1:21:38","seconds":4898,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"The Soviet sub. The Soviet sub. That was it. Yeah."},{"time":"1:21:40","seconds":4900,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"Yeah. So I you know I wonder if any of these things are dual use and um yeah it' be why not if you have uh some great"},{"time":"1:21:49","seconds":4909,"chapter":43,"chapter_title":"Liquid breathing and divers","text":"capability you that's what you would use. And and Bob Lazar, it's interesting. So he did this first kind of press run and he talked about"},{"time":"1:21:56","seconds":4916,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"obviously element 115 reverse engineering a craft at S4 Area 51 and he recently there was a documentary that came out about him and he just did some"},{"time":"1:22:05","seconds":4925,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"other interviews and he goes actually I didn't mean archaeological dig. I meant this was a Navy find on the seafloor."},{"time":"1:22:13","seconds":4933,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"From what Barry said that was an archaeological dig which by the way isn't in the desert, it's in the water."},{"time":"1:22:19","seconds":4939,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"Yeah. that was happened upon by the Navy and that's that's all I know and so I I find"},{"time":"1:22:28","seconds":4948,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"that to be very interesting data point what he has to say about that."},{"time":"1:22:31","seconds":4951,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean not much more than that. That's kind of you know but you also have Pax River is very interesting. Um I just had on uh"},{"time":"1:22:39","seconds":4959,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"Missouri Representative Congressman Eric Berles who's a great guy. I like that guy."},{"time":"1:22:43","seconds":4963,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"He's super kind of straight shooter on What does he know about Pax River? Well, he visited Pax River and he said, you know, and it's public that, you know,"},{"time":"1:22:52","seconds":4972,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"it's probably the most advanced, you know, aviation naval aviation facility in the US. And he he visited and he"},{"time":"1:23:00","seconds":4980,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"said, if we if we were to store a craft, it would be here."},{"time":"1:23:03","seconds":4983,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"And I'll tell you, just being there and seeing it, um, if you were ever going to do a transfer, it would be logistically the"},{"time":"1:23:11","seconds":4991,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"perfect venue to do that. And he said maybe there was even like a you know that that that locked trying to excfiltrate their UFO so that Bigalow"},{"time":"1:23:20","seconds":5000,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"could have their eyes on it and look at it. Maybe that craft was held there. And so that was fascinating. Again, who knows?"},{"time":"1:23:27","seconds":5007,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"I used to live by there. Yeah, that's very fascinating. I I would like to know."},{"time":"1:23:31","seconds":5011,"chapter":44,"chapter_title":"Bob Lazar's seafloor revision","text":"Yeah, same. Um and then of course you have Do you know about this bluegill triple prime test? This very very much. Me my wife and I helped Jeff Krugshank write the report on it."},{"time":"1:23:42","seconds":5022,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Oh wow. Yeah. Okay. So, you're familiar with this?"},{"time":"1:23:45","seconds":5025,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"There's a whole section of he wrote this report and uh there's a whole section where we examine deck logs of ships that"},{"time":"1:23:52","seconds":5032,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"we think were involved in some partial recovery of either that object or something related to it."},{"time":"1:23:58","seconds":5038,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"This is amazing. So, the context for this is Harold Malgrren who is this kind of elder statesman. You know, you interviewed him. It was a great interview."},{"time":"1:24:06","seconds":5046,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Thank you. I appreciate really Pipa is wonderful. I wish she's amazing."},{"time":"1:24:09","seconds":5049,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"I wish I met him. It's an honor for you to have it. It was a total honor and I you know I felt in many ways unqualified but just really as I do here but it was just a"},{"time":"1:24:18","seconds":5058,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"great uh beautiful interaction kind of at the end of his life. He talked about actually holding the pieces from this"},{"time":"1:24:26","seconds":5066,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"crash and that uh it came down I guess out of the plume of this nuclear blast in 1962 in October. Um you had this"},{"time":"1:24:34","seconds":5074,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"bluegill triple prime test. He said, \"Well, he reached for some stuff sitting on his desk."},{"time":"1:24:41","seconds":5081,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"The these are things that have come down."},{"time":"1:24:47","seconds":5087,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"I'm looking at sitting on his desk, round rock, you know."},{"time":"1:24:52","seconds":5092,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"So, you're looking at like material, anomalous material.\" Yeah. Debris. Yeah."},{"time":"1:24:56","seconds":5096,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"And there were these Navy deck logs and I believe there might have even been an outage on one of the ships. Like there was some radioactive Yeah."},{"time":"1:25:03","seconds":5103,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Everything shut down. Yeah. They lost power. And then there's this um soapas uh uh special officer present a float."},{"time":"1:25:12","seconds":5112,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Senior officer present a float. There you go. You wouldn't know. Um so General Starboard I believe was his name."},{"time":"1:25:18","seconds":5118,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Oh, Admiral Admiral Starboard. Great."},{"time":"1:25:21","seconds":5121,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"You're helping me walk through this. And he and he flew, I believe, to the US in seemingly this kind of like emergency"},{"time":"1:25:29","seconds":5129,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"fit at 4:00 a.m. that night. Yeah. So, it seems like something dropped out. And then there's um a guy who used the"},{"time":"1:25:36","seconds":5136,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Freedom of Information Act to request all records of UAV, UAP, UFO, any acronym related to UFO from the Starfish"},{"time":"1:25:44","seconds":5144,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Prime series. And they were like, \"Yeah, we have responsive records, but we had to forward them to the special uh, you know, to the subject matter expert who"},{"time":"1:25:52","seconds":5152,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"knows about this.\" Yeah. The NNSA said this."},{"time":"1:25:55","seconds":5155,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Oh. Oh, yeah. So, who was that that requested them?"},{"time":"1:25:58","seconds":5158,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"It was an anonymous requesttor. So, you know, maybe you have to put, you know, adjust your your, you know, belief in that somewhat based on that. But, you"},{"time":"1:26:07","seconds":5167,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"know, it seemed like a real request and it seemed like he screenshotted the response. So, um, it seems like there's a tapestry of evidence that a UFO might"},{"time":"1:26:16","seconds":5176,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"have come out of this plume from Bluegill Triple Prime and it's it's just amazing. I'm I I'm again, not 100% but very highly likely. I'm convinced it"},{"time":"1:26:24","seconds":5184,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"did. Yeah. And so that's what happened is we we went and looked at all the deck logs for Jeff because he great guy by the way, really diligent"},{"time":"1:26:33","seconds":5193,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"researcher, nice person too. Uh and uh because we know how we could read a deck log and know exactly what's going"},{"time":"1:26:41","seconds":5201,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"on. And so okay, the ship's doing this, this is what happened and and we were able to interpret for him what we think was going on. Did you think that"},{"time":"1:26:49","seconds":5209,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"something anomalous was recovering on the deck? I do."},{"time":"1:26:52","seconds":5212,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Wow. So, this is fascinating and I love that you're saying this because you have the authority to say it and there are a bunch of other people who are weighing"},{"time":"1:27:00","seconds":5220,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"in and they're like, \"It's the instrumentation pod or it's the booster or whatever.\" Oh, yeah. Well, there there's there's that there was there were there were those. Mhm."},{"time":"1:27:08","seconds":5228,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Um but then then but you have to line up there's there's other elements of that recovery operation that are very anomalous and then and then then some"},{"time":"1:27:17","seconds":5237,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"things that aren't even in the deck log uh that that you could tell that they should have been cited and weren't because we know the history. He went and researched the history. Why didn't they"},{"time":"1:27:25","seconds":5245,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"put that in the deck log? There's a personnel transfer of divers from one to the other. Yeah. This is fascinating."},{"time":"1:27:30","seconds":5250,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"So I I I let me let me draw back. I can't say 100% because I didn't see the object."},{"time":"1:27:35","seconds":5255,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Sure. But that there was some there was a highly unusual operation that occurred and some of it was not recorded. I think so too."},{"time":"1:27:43","seconds":5263,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Yeah. Because there's there's a section where they're um when they do make this first recovery attempt, they're doing"},{"time":"1:27:50","seconds":5270,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"all these engine orders and and um uh if I recall, I I have to go look at the report again, but um and they were"},{"time":"1:27:59","seconds":5279,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"laying out all this anchor line. Okay, that was that was the that was the now I remember they laid out all this anchor line where previously when they anchored"},{"time":"1:28:07","seconds":5287,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"they only laid out a little bit because they were they were going to pull up the the hook as they call it uh very soon after. So there's no need to set out a"},{"time":"1:28:14","seconds":5294,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"lot along uh a lot of anchor line um if you're going to move the next day. But there's this there's this portion where"},{"time":"1:28:22","seconds":5302,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"they laid out a ton of shot. That's the term that you say. Uh because they were going to do something that was going to be really heavy lifting."},{"time":"1:28:29","seconds":5309,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"You know, spending time with Harold. I that guy wasn't alive."},{"time":"1:28:32","seconds":5312,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Yeah. Well, there you go. No, no, he has nothing to He had nothing to gain at that point."},{"time":"1:28:36","seconds":5316,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Nothing to gain. Nothing to gain. I'm glad. And it was so sweet of of Pippa to be with him and have you. That was a great interview."},{"time":"1:28:45","seconds":5325,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"Thank you. Well, he was he was amazing and uh you know he yeah he's just an incredible guy. Um how do we get back to"},{"time":"1:28:52","seconds":5332,"chapter":45,"chapter_title":"Bluegill Triple Prime and Malmgren","text":"the future when it comes to our oceans because I think about the 50s60s7s and you had seab and you had you know and"},{"time":"1:29:01","seconds":5341,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"then you had this unfortunate death on CAB but you had this idea of aquinauts you know now we think of just astronauts."},{"time":"1:29:07","seconds":5347,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"We're getting there are we getting there?"},{"time":"1:29:09","seconds":5349,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"First off there's a cool thing about CAB. Yeah."},{"time":"1:29:11","seconds":5351,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"I happen and this is in my book too. I happen to be at Stennis Space Center. That's where my command was stationed."},{"time":"1:29:18","seconds":5358,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"Uh and you know that that's the nature of NASA stations is you often have multi-uses. So you have some Navy units,"},{"time":"1:29:26","seconds":5366,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"maybe you have there's actually a Navy Seal unit there, too. But um and so we were there all and they had some special event one day that I went to and it"},{"time":"1:29:35","seconds":5375,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"involved some of the Mercury astronauts giving a small talk because they were on a road show to promote uh some some NASA"},{"time":"1:29:44","seconds":5384,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"space related education initiative and so big auditorium full of the three astronauts. It was Wally Sherro, Gordon"},{"time":"1:29:50","seconds":5390,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"Cooper, and Scott Carpenter, heroes here. And I had a chance to hear"},{"time":"1:29:58","seconds":5398,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"them speak. And then the audience of course asked all the normal questions about space. A lot of high school kids"},{"time":"1:30:04","seconds":5404,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"there and uh and so what's it like to be an astronaut and zero gravity and how do you go to the bathroom and all those things, little kids do that. I got up"},{"time":"1:30:12","seconds":5412,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"and I asked Scott Carpenter, I said because he'd been at CAB. He was the only guy, one of the few people who had been an astronaut and an aquinaut. And"},{"time":"1:30:19","seconds":5419,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"so I asked him, \"How do you compare the two?\" And he said, he said, \"Oh, going up in space is just glorious. It's"},{"time":"1:30:27","seconds":5427,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"you're shot on the end of a rocket. You get up there and everything's bright and beautiful and and you come back and you know after not very long and it's just"},{"time":"1:30:35","seconds":5435,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"the most amazing uh experience of of a lifetime.\" and and then he paused and he said, \"Well, but when you go in the"},{"time":"1:30:41","seconds":5441,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"ocean, things are really hard and they break and it's cold.\" So, he had nothing good about it. He"},{"time":"1:30:48","seconds":5448,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"just it was just it was a lot of challenges and and I don't know when the death occurred, but uh yeah, and I know this from my wife being a diver, the"},{"time":"1:30:56","seconds":5456,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"ocean is a very hard environment to operate in. And and it's funny because I left that meeting going how funny uh or ironic that remember Kennedy gave his"},{"time":"1:31:05","seconds":5465,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"big speech at Rice University. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy but because they are hard."},{"time":"1:31:14","seconds":5474,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"Yeah."},{"time":"1:31:15","seconds":5475,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"And here is here is Scott Carpenter telling me that operating in space is a cakewalk but going in the ocean is another story which I know to be true"},{"time":"1:31:23","seconds":5483,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"from Victor's expedition because he actually got it all documented on a Discovery Channel channel series and things break and and comms you lose"},{"time":"1:31:31","seconds":5491,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"comms and all this. So at any rate though uh technology is allowing us to move beyond that and I actually have"},{"time":"1:31:39","seconds":5499,"chapter":46,"chapter_title":"SEALAB and Scott Carpenter","text":"advised a new company called deep that's just their name and they're building an ocean habitat. It's already deployed in the Florida Keys National"},{"time":"1:31:46","seconds":5506,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"Marine Sanctuary which is like an underwater national park that Noah manages and uh and so this is they just installed it and their chief scientist"},{"time":"1:31:55","seconds":5515,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"is a wonderful woman named Don Krengus and she's already I think she's already dived the habitat. So I'm my goal is to go dive that habitat soon. Wow."},{"time":"1:32:02","seconds":5522,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"Yeah. So that that's there. There's another one. I gave a talk last year at EarthX, an environmental conference. And"},{"time":"1:32:11","seconds":5531,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"I did a fireside chat like we're doing here with uh a NASA, former NASA astronaut called names named uh Dr."},{"time":"1:32:19","seconds":5539,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"Scott Perisinski. is an MD and he was the head space walker for NASA for a while and he now is an adviser for a new"},{"time":"1:32:28","seconds":5548,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"company and I the name escapes me I think it's Proteus and is one of the Custoau sons founded it and they're building ocean"},{"time":"1:32:36","seconds":5556,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"habitats too so when you think about those and the fact that new technologies like autonomy robots robotics are advancing so rapidly"},{"time":"1:32:45","seconds":5565,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"uh and look look at what Victor did I we're going to see more and more of I'm so excited because we're we're we've"},{"time":"1:32:52","seconds":5572,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"mapped more of the moon and Mars than we have our own planet. Isn't that right?"},{"time":"1:32:57","seconds":5577,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"Right. And that's another thread take us down about undersea UAP that that yes, we know not only more of the seabed or"},{"time":"1:33:04","seconds":5584,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"pardon me the we've mapped the moon the surfaces of moon and Mars to a higher resolution than our seabed. Uh we've"},{"time":"1:33:12","seconds":5592,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"only mapped 27% of of the seafloor to modern standards. That's so much territory. And then and it's 70% of the"},{"time":"1:33:20","seconds":5600,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"planet. And so and then we've only explored with with drifters, floats, and"},{"time":"1:33:26","seconds":5606,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"drones about 10% of and ROVs 10% of the ocean volume."},{"time":"1:33:31","seconds":5611,"chapter":47,"chapter_title":"DEEP and undersea habitats","text":"So this could be an answer to the Fermy paradox. Yeah. Where is everybody? Exactly. They're in the oceans where they are. Exactly."},{"time":"1:33:37","seconds":5617,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"And and we know the they UAP, whatever is controlling it, they're they're elusive. They are not just showing up"},{"time":"1:33:45","seconds":5625,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"and announcing themselves. And so the that fact and and the the large territory of the ocean that we know nothing about really points in the"},{"time":"1:33:54","seconds":5634,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"direction that that's that's probably where they are."},{"time":"1:33:56","seconds":5636,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Yeah. Fellow UAP White House adviser um Kevin can Yeah."},{"time":"1:34:01","seconds":5641,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"He has a great theory about Quick correction. Yeah, go for it."},{"time":"1:34:04","seconds":5644,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"We're not we're not reporting to the White House. Okay. We we report to the ODNI."},{"time":"1:34:08","seconds":5648,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Okay. Got it. Of course, the White House as the White House does, you know, the Department of War reports to the NSC and so and then they they're both NSC is"},{"time":"1:34:17","seconds":5657,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"a White House body. ODNI uh supports the White House and reports to the White House. So, we have that layer there. Got it. Okay. Yeah. Good"},{"time":"1:34:24","seconds":5664,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"correction. Um he uh talks about water worlds and basically planets that have water as being like the perfect kind of"},{"time":"1:34:33","seconds":5673,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Goldilock zone because obviously you have phase transitions. you have, you know, solid, liquid, gas, plasma. And so if you can have a liquid form of water,"},{"time":"1:34:42","seconds":5682,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"it's like an indication that you're in some sort of Goldilocks zone. 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Yeah, there's a of course there not not so"},{"time":"1:35:20","seconds":5720,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"habitable but the moons of uh Jupiter and Saturn Enceladus and Europa."},{"time":"1:35:28","seconds":5728,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Mhm."},{"time":"1:35:29","seconds":5729,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"They're I think hypothesized to have ocean interiors with uh ice ice exteriors."},{"time":"1:35:38","seconds":5738,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Yes. And so NASA has been working to build capabilities that that actually funded some of our work to uh um what"},{"time":"1:35:45","seconds":5745,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"the goal was to basically land on the surface and then punch a hole and send in a remotely operated vehicle. And"},{"time":"1:35:52","seconds":5752,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"so some of our Noah ROV work, we have an exploration ship called the Okianis Explorer. We uh I think NASA supported"},{"time":"1:35:59","seconds":5759,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"to to advance that technology that they could eventually apply for missions to those moons. That would be amazing. That's so cool."},{"time":"1:36:07","seconds":5767,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"What's cool about about that is um kind of related uh is that NASA astronauts all train in Houston"},{"time":"1:36:15","seconds":5775,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"uh in this one of the largest pools in the world. It's called the neutral buoyancy lab. Okay. Have you ever heard of it? No."},{"time":"1:36:23","seconds":5783,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"It's so cool. So, uh yeah. And so basically they all wear their space gear in this pool to simulate neutral"},{"time":"1:36:30","seconds":5790,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"buoyancy, gravity free. And uh and so what's neat about that is now in my my my whole past government work I uh I've"},{"time":"1:36:39","seconds":5799,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"been working for companies and the the prime contractor for that comp that uh that facility the neutral buoyancy lab is is a um is a company called Rothy"},{"time":"1:36:48","seconds":5808,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"and they they're going public and they wanted me to come on their board and so I got to go down there and check out that that whole awesome setup and they"},{"time":"1:36:56","seconds":5816,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"have a whole team of divers that support the astronauts. So sooner or later they're going to have a VIP diving day and my wife and I are going to go down"},{"time":"1:37:05","seconds":5825,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"and get on a scuba and go dive that tank with astronauts. Wow, that's amazing."},{"time":"1:37:09","seconds":5829,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Anyways, all kind of related stuff there."},{"time":"1:37:12","seconds":5832,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Speaking of, you know, maybe geothermal pockets that are habitable within ice."},{"time":"1:37:17","seconds":5837,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Do you think that anything might be residing in Antarctica that we're not aware of?"},{"time":"1:37:21","seconds":5841,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Yeah, there's isn't there there's a lot about that possibility. Uh, and I think who was say someone thought that Admiral Bird had some encounter when he was down there."},{"time":"1:37:30","seconds":5850,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Yeah, exactly. There are I know nothing of that. And I have friends who worked in Antarctica. I have friends know of friends who previously had been ice divers down there."},{"time":"1:37:39","seconds":5859,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"And then I have a another colleague who's a very accomplished underwater photographer named um Becky Shot and she"},{"time":"1:37:47","seconds":5867,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"is uh does expeditions down there all the time and is a very accomplished diver, ice diver. Nobody I know who's"},{"time":"1:37:55","seconds":5875,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"been down there and there are many uh have have seen anything. I've heard the reports but right now I don't have any data or just legends for now."},{"time":"1:38:03","seconds":5883,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Yeah. But um your your wife is a remote viewer. Is that right? She just finished this Paul Smith training."},{"time":"1:38:09","seconds":5889,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"Yes. Okay. This is this is a good line of of inquiry because like mainstream science as we've alluded to before uh I"},{"time":"1:38:18","seconds":5898,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"don't know how it how it has been but but in mainstream science uh consciousness has not been treated as it"},{"time":"1:38:25","seconds":5905,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"should be right and and the idea of all these aspects of consciousness like out-of- body experiences near-death"},{"time":"1:38:33","seconds":5913,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"experiences uh and and and the the survival of human consciousness after death right after death. So uh and the"},{"time":"1:38:41","seconds":5921,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"and and other related uh characteristics phenomena like telepathy and so"},{"time":"1:38:48","seconds":5928,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"just like UAP stigmatized that nothing there there it's not real it's not scientific. Well what we're seeing now"},{"time":"1:38:55","seconds":5935,"chapter":48,"chapter_title":"The Fermi paradox","text":"is whether it be the scientific study or uh like with the division of perceptual studies at University of Virginia. Do you know that?"},{"time":"1:39:04","seconds":5944,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Yeah. Oh yeah."},{"time":"1:39:05","seconds":5945,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Okay. those people, those fine people, those scientists or Diane Hennessy Powell and her work with a autistic"},{"time":"1:39:12","seconds":5952,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"patients. How about that? Did you Did you have her on her show? Oh, yeah. I've had her on."},{"time":"1:39:17","seconds":5957,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"She talks about the conversations these autistic kids have together."},{"time":"1:39:20","seconds":5960,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Yeah. They commute on on a hill. It's like kind of That's right. Uh uh almost like um Meeting Station but in like, you"},{"time":"1:39:28","seconds":5968,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"know, some like mental etheric form or something. It's amazing."},{"time":"1:39:32","seconds":5972,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Right. Yes. So there that is all real right there. It's documented this this is a real phenomena and now taking it to"},{"time":"1:39:40","seconds":5980,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"the applied level uh uh in this case of remote viewing."},{"time":"1:39:44","seconds":5984,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"First off, Hal Pudof is a good friend and colleague of mine and he he's shared extensively about his"},{"time":"1:39:52","seconds":5992,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"experience with that the Stargate program and then one of the Stargate programs I believe founders was Paul Smith or Elise who was the Army guy and and"},{"time":"1:40:02","seconds":6002,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"now he's he's taken that further. He's written a manual on remote viewing and it's all about Have you ever remote viewed?"},{"time":"1:40:08","seconds":6008,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"No, I've never remote viewed. you learn you learn a protocol like like so many uh I guess just experiences or methods"},{"time":"1:40:17","seconds":6017,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"there there's a way to basically like tap into that that that knowledge which is out there all knowledge is somehow"},{"time":"1:40:25","seconds":6025,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"interconnected and so Karen has taken one basic course and then she just finished the advanced course she"},{"time":"1:40:32","seconds":6032,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"actually went to his place in in Cedar City Utah and and did she's really good by the way and so what happens they'll"},{"time":"1:40:39","seconds":6039,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"They'll give you a the facilitator gives you a a target basically a set of pictures with a grid coordinate of somewhere a facility a natural formation"},{"time":"1:40:49","seconds":6049,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"whatever and then so he's got this target in mind and then uh I guess what all he does is reveal to the viewer the"},{"time":"1:40:58","seconds":6058,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"the coordinates of it and this is a protocol that started out at Stargate and they did it kind of worked it over time with really talented remote viewers like Ingo Swan."},{"time":"1:41:07","seconds":6067,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Yeah. And um yeah, and Joe McMonagle, yeah, one of your guests. Oh, yeah. I love him."},{"time":"1:41:13","seconds":6073,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Oh, he's brilliant. And so Karen took took it all and she and it works. It's really remarkable because she'll okay, she'll and you go through a"},{"time":"1:41:22","seconds":6082,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"set of things where you sort of basically clear your mind and then then sometimes now your your mind is always when you're getting a perception, this"},{"time":"1:41:30","seconds":6090,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"is perception uh of something, your your mind will automatically want to make sense of it."},{"time":"1:41:36","seconds":6096,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Okay? If you're if you're seeing, for example, um like a wooden tone or something, you're going to go, \"Okay, it's like it's you're going to build a table right"},{"time":"1:41:44","seconds":6104,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"there in your mind.\" You do that. You make a mental model and they in the protocol, you you learn to recognize when your mind's doing that and you shut it off."},{"time":"1:41:53","seconds":6113,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Okay. And they call it analytical overlay. You know about it? Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. There you go. Yeah."},{"time":"1:41:57","seconds":6117,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"And so Karen's she's I won't say she's mastered this, but she's t done this for two years now, and she's really good."},{"time":"1:42:04","seconds":6124,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Wow. And he's he has nailed these targets. he's gotten to her where she'll just start drawing it out. She'll start naming all the all the um kind of"},{"time":"1:42:11","seconds":6131,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"associations she's getting whether the shape, the color, the the texture."},{"time":"1:42:15","seconds":6135,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"She'll she'll start with words and then she'll start drawing aspects of it. And I even participated in an experiment and I there are instances where I I got the"},{"time":"1:42:23","seconds":6143,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"target spot on and so I did I even toyed with it. I was part of their little experiment group and uh so she and she's"},{"time":"1:42:31","seconds":6151,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"gotten them right on the money and these aren't things you can make up. it'd be one of her targets was this really cool geological formation in a national park"},{"time":"1:42:40","seconds":6160,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"and she drew she drew them just to a tea. Wow."},{"time":"1:42:44","seconds":6164,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"You know, it wasn't it wasn't Disneyland, you know, it wasn't the space station. It was that and she drew exactly that. That's incredible."},{"time":"1:42:52","seconds":6172,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"She's done it multiple times. Yeah. Wow."},{"time":"1:42:53","seconds":6173,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"So that that and this is whole thing consciousness studies. I I I I hope as UAP may be becoming that more of our and"},{"time":"1:43:02","seconds":6182,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"especially this because more of our society that accepts this nature of humanity this this true the truth the"},{"time":"1:43:09","seconds":6189,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"real nature of humanity there's so much we can do with that human potential is so held back by our"},{"time":"1:43:17","seconds":6197,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"not accepting the full uh uh possibilities of our consciousness and and um and human connection Yeah."},{"time":"1:43:26","seconds":6206,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Yeah. Like all the UFO infighting. Yeah."},{"time":"1:43:29","seconds":6209,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"If you once you really get to understand the nature of your mind and other and connecting with other minds, maybe all that'll stop."},{"time":"1:43:36","seconds":6216,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Yeah. Totally. And I mean that's on the line, right? It's like uh the nature of consciousness and the nature of reality and and and truth about metaphysics and stuff and you know it is a great book."},{"time":"1:43:47","seconds":6227,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Well, it's a great book. Uh have you read Dan Brown's Secret of Secrets? you know, uh, Brandon Fugal just he was just on the show and he just brought that up."},{"time":"1:43:56","seconds":6236,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"It's you, if you care about this topic, read it. He has mastered the story. It's a great story line, too, by the way."},{"time":"1:44:03","seconds":6243,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"But, uh, he goes into all of this. You will be, if you're on the fence about this this nature of consciousness, you I"},{"time":"1:44:12","seconds":6252,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"would think you will be a firm, not you won't believe, you will know when you finish reading this book. I can't wait to read."},{"time":"1:44:18","seconds":6258,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Oh gosh, it's good. Yeah, that's amazing. He's so I would love to interview him. I think he lives in New Hampshire or some somewhere northeast."},{"time":"1:44:24","seconds":6264,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Yeah, just an amazing I mean I've read Angels and Demons and the Da Vinci Code and stuff. He's amazing. Yeah, he's really incredible."},{"time":"1:44:31","seconds":6271,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Do you ever use remote viewing like daily life for like decision- making or anything?"},{"time":"1:44:37","seconds":6277,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Well, no. Uh because again I you have to be disciplined about the protocol to it's just a there's an aspect of how"},{"time":"1:44:46","seconds":6286,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"your mind works. It's very hard to filter out. Uh and so um and I I've just not practiced it enough. And however"},{"time":"1:44:53","seconds":6293,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"though in intuition so we're very related. Okay. When you and and you also you also at the beginning we all talked"},{"time":"1:45:00","seconds":6300,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"about intention. Yes you did. And I I I I think that's a really important part of this conversation that when your intention is good and positive I think"},{"time":"1:45:10","seconds":6310,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"then uh then I think your mind for some reason is it's more accessible. Your consciousness"},{"time":"1:45:18","seconds":6318,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"is expanded in a way when you have good intention."},{"time":"1:45:21","seconds":6321,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"I think so too. I I think that's the secret of all of this whole topic is it unlocks for you when you have really pure intentions and when"},{"time":"1:45:29","seconds":6329,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"you're seeking truth and you don't have ulterior motives. You know, I think good things happen and they do and my life is is is an example"},{"time":"1:45:38","seconds":6338,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"of that where and I actually again my book there's a lot of stories I have in this about it's better to be lucky than good."},{"time":"1:45:44","seconds":6344,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Oh, I love that. and and but it's really about having pure positive intention."},{"time":"1:45:49","seconds":6349,"chapter":49,"chapter_title":"Remote viewing and consciousness","text":"Whenever I've had that, good things happen, great things happen. It was about my going to the naval academy really quickly. So, there's a whole"},{"time":"1:45:57","seconds":6357,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"story in there. I shouldn't have gone in, but I I wanted to study the ocean and I wanted to serve my country."},{"time":"1:46:02","seconds":6362,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"And what happened uh you like stories, so you're a storyteller."},{"time":"1:46:07","seconds":6367,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"Yeah. So I uh I so I was I wanted to do this from an early age and and um and I and I kind of misguided but I also"},{"time":"1:46:14","seconds":6374,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"wanted to get a PhD from scripts and I I learned that the Naval Academy had one scholarship to Scripps and I thought okay I want to study the ocean. It's got"},{"time":"1:46:22","seconds":6382,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"a pathway to Scripps Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Hoya California with Woods Hole the top two oceanographic schools in the country the"},{"time":"1:46:31","seconds":6391,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"world. So, I wanted that and uh I I I go to the academy, I show up on the very first day and uh they take all the"},{"time":"1:46:39","seconds":6399,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"physical tests you took before to get in and so I retake them and I get to this color vision test. Uh have you ever taken a color vision test?"},{"time":"1:46:47","seconds":6407,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"I don't think I have."},{"time":"1:46:48","seconds":6408,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"So, in the Navy, you get tested for everything. And so color vision test is called the Ishahara test named after a"},{"time":"1:46:56","seconds":6416,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"certain uh scient I guess doctor physician and he this test consists of"},{"time":"1:47:04","seconds":6424,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"uh a circular grouping of of of basically dots colored dots and the dots"},{"time":"1:47:12","seconds":6432,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"are in different colors and they all make out a number 10 12 7 8 but you can always see the orange eight uh in the green and reds in his background. Right."},{"time":"1:47:20","seconds":6440,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"Okay. So, and this is this is this is to test you for a very common genetic uh uh trait of color defectiveness in men."},{"time":"1:47:31","seconds":6451,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"Some women, but mostly men have it. And you there are a lot of people in the population have it. I don't know the number, but it's not small. And so, but unfortunately, that disqualifies you"},{"time":"1:47:39","seconds":6459,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"from naval service because in naval service, you need to be able to see green and red very clearly because th those are the lights, navigation lights"},{"time":"1:47:47","seconds":6467,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"on ships. So when you go to on or or aircraft and so if you can't understand the lights on a ship, you're not going to know the configuration. You could potentially have problems navigating."},{"time":"1:47:57","seconds":6477,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"It's really a strict requirement. I go take that test on the day my first day at the academy, July 2nd, 1985. And I failed that test. And the coreman"},{"time":"1:48:05","seconds":6485,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"administering it said, and we're all getting back to pure intention, okay? He said, \"Whoa, how did you even get accepted here? Go to the side. We're"},{"time":"1:48:13","seconds":6493,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"going to report you. You're going to you're going to be gone.\" And oh my gosh. So, I go to my I tell my dad and and and the swim coach who recruited me."},{"time":"1:48:21","seconds":6501,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"Oh, no. And they run around and go off and and ultimately I I take a weight."},{"time":"1:48:27","seconds":6507,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"And um what happens behind the scenes is the co I I was the fastest 500 freestyler in the country in uh prep for prep schools uh in in uh that year."},{"time":"1:48:38","seconds":6518,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"Wow. Wow."},{"time":"1:48:38","seconds":6518,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"So, I was recruited heavily and uh the coach found out and he reported it to the athletic director and they decided to give me something they' never done"},{"time":"1:48:47","seconds":6527,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"before, a waiver letter that I signed acknowledging that I couldn't go to the traditional line office officer uh"},{"time":"1:48:56","seconds":6536,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"specialties, surface aircraft pilot, submarine that I could only when I graduate do restricted work that"},{"time":"1:49:03","seconds":6543,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"involved either intelligence, medical or oceanography. So, it's what I wanted and it was actually given to me even though I shouldn't even gotten in."},{"time":"1:49:12","seconds":6552,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"Wow."},{"time":"1:49:13","seconds":6553,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"And they accept me. I go in and here I am. I should never even gone. Wow."},{"time":"1:49:17","seconds":6557,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"And I did and I followed the exact path I wanted to follow. So, and I was and I was and there's this is not even the only time in my book where I talk about"},{"time":"1:49:24","seconds":6564,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"this where I had good intention and I should never have gotten it."},{"time":"1:49:27","seconds":6567,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"But some and somehow I think that was it is I wanted a good path and uh and the universe opened it up for me."},{"time":"1:49:35","seconds":6575,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"Well, that's a beautiful thing. What's the most precarious situation you've ever been in in in uh the Navy? Okay,"},{"time":"1:49:42","seconds":6582,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"good. So, there's the Navy. Uh no doubt, and I tell this story, too. I was a uh I was on an aircraft carrier and I was my"},{"time":"1:49:50","seconds":6590,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"job was the officer of the deck. So, I was in charge I was a ship's oceanographer, but I had a division of aerographers mates that predicted weather and I didn't really need to step"},{"time":"1:49:59","seconds":6599,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"in that much. So, I I I became a deck watch officer. So I was in charge of the ship for two 4-hour stretches a day"},{"time":"1:50:06","seconds":6606,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"directing all movements right left ahead uh slow down launch aircraft recover aircraft don't don't you know don't"},{"time":"1:50:13","seconds":6613,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"launch aircraft don't recover aircraft giving all the orders for this aircraft car in two combat operations enduring freedom when we first flew strikes into"},{"time":"1:50:20","seconds":6620,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"Afghanistan I came at the tail end of that and then we did all the strikes into Iraq in 2003 during Iraqi freedom"},{"time":"1:50:28","seconds":6628,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"so big high stress job uh and at one point we going to their Persian Gaul for Iraqi freedom. We're going through the"},{"time":"1:50:35","seconds":6635,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"straight of Malaa. And when you do that, um you're I'm driving the aircraft carrier. You're you're 100 feet off the water line. You're you're way up there."},{"time":"1:50:45","seconds":6645,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"And um we uh narrow waterway because the USS Cole had been bombed a few years before. We were really wary of any"},{"time":"1:50:53","seconds":6653,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"terrorist attacks. So we launched our helicopters. That was the protocol with 50 cal machine guns and they were"},{"time":"1:51:01","seconds":6661,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"basically patrolling for any small boats that would try to attack us and and so the we're driving I have a destroyer who's about"},{"time":"1:51:08","seconds":6668,"chapter":50,"chapter_title":"Getting into the Naval Academy","text":"thousand yards on my port bow ahead of me to the to the port and she was the USS Curtis Wilbur and um and so we and"},{"time":"1:51:18","seconds":6678,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"we have a strike group commander embark and he gives all the orders to the strike group. So, I'm driving the ship, the aircraft carrier, the Kittyhawk, and"},{"time":"1:51:25","seconds":6685,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"uh and they they give the order for the Curtis Wilbur. Oh, first. So, we launched the helicopters to watch out for terrorists. And because we launched"},{"time":"1:51:33","seconds":6693,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"helicopters, when there's anything uh any aircraft in the air, we need to have what they call a plane guard, a ship to go behind us in case someone crashes and"},{"time":"1:51:42","seconds":6702,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"they can recover the pilot. So, uh, they give the order, Curtis Wilbur, go take plane guard off the Kittyhawks, uh, uh,"},{"time":"1:51:50","seconds":6710,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"stern, you know, at such and such a distance. And what normally should have happened is I'm driving, he's she's ahead of me, and she should have just"},{"time":"1:51:58","seconds":6718,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"peeled off to port. It would have been an easy day, and she would just slow down and take station behind me. Um,"},{"time":"1:52:05","seconds":6725,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"she ended up turning to starboard. and and she was so close and it happened so quickly that as she turned to starboard"},{"time":"1:52:14","seconds":6734,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"the the flight deck ahead of me there's basically an 800t shadow zone of seawater that I can't see oh and her bow"},{"time":"1:52:22","seconds":6742,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"basically disappeared right like in that shadow zone that's how close she was I'm going 12 knots or so and and I and"},{"time":"1:52:31","seconds":6751,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"immediately of course um I do everything I'm supposed to do I I yell out right hard rudder all engines a head flank to"},{"time":"1:52:38","seconds":6758,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"just make me do that. Sound the collision alarm. Um and uh announce brace for shock and uh and then and then"},{"time":"1:52:46","seconds":6766,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"you know this happens when people get in these situations. Uh time just totally slowed down for me. Uh and I remember having all these thoughts. I thought oh"},{"time":"1:52:55","seconds":6775,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"my god we are going to cut that ship in half and there's nothing I can do about it. And and that that would have been that would have it would likely would"},{"time":"1:53:03","seconds":6783,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"have sunk. We would have had at least 200 people killed, probably more. All sailors dying, very horrible deaths. I"},{"time":"1:53:10","seconds":6790,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"mean, fires, sinking. It was just the worst image I've ever seen in my life mentally."},{"time":"1:53:16","seconds":6796,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"And then I thought, \"Oh my god, we're going to get hit and and we're going to probably end up having some some um"},{"time":"1:53:23","seconds":6803,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"water come in and damage control necessary where we'd call general quarters and I'd call general quarters and then fires would break out. my"},{"time":"1:53:31","seconds":6811,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"sailors might be fighting those fires actually and some of our sailors might get killed. All these things flooded my mind before you know that in that one"},{"time":"1:53:38","seconds":6818,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"second and thank god uh the ship did the right thing at the right time and shifted her rudder and she just barely"},{"time":"1:53:46","seconds":6826,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"avoided us. Of course the captain's on the phone with the admiral and every a big swirl of activity there afterwards."},{"time":"1:53:54","seconds":6834,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"Um but that that was that was the most precarious thing and there was really nothing I could do. It was just because we were in that close quarters maneuvering in a straight."},{"time":"1:54:03","seconds":6843,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"Um yeah, but that's intense."},{"time":"1:54:06","seconds":6846,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"Also, all I can tell you is I am I have been blessed. Uh in this book, I talk about these times where uh challenging"},{"time":"1:54:15","seconds":6855,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"situations again working for Trump and it worked out. We we achieved good."},{"time":"1:54:21","seconds":6861,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"Thankfully, the the alternative didn't occur and I just feel like I've had this very gifted life and that's why I wanted to tell my story."},{"time":"1:54:30","seconds":6870,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"That's beautiful. Well, don't ask questions. Keep keep riding the wave."},{"time":"1:54:34","seconds":6874,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"Well, actually, you're right about that because as we talked about uh there there's some exciting possibilities ahead for us, for humanity, and I'm excited to contribute to that."},{"time":"1:54:45","seconds":6885,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"Yeah. Well, I think you are contributing to it and uh everybody go buy the book Holding Fast in the Heavy Seas and uh I'm just really honored."},{"time":"1:54:52","seconds":6892,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"Oh, by the way, V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V Victor wrote an endorsement. Oh, did he? Oh, cool."},{"time":"1:54:56","seconds":6896,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"I got to tell you, I'm I'm blessed. I have some great endorsements. Victor wrote one. Um one of my favorite ocean authors. So, as"},{"time":"1:55:04","seconds":6904,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"we talk about the oceans in UAP, if anybody any of your listeners, viewers like the ocean, they should read uh any"},{"time":"1:55:11","seconds":6911,"chapter":51,"chapter_title":"The Kitty Hawk near-collision","text":"of the books by the the the topline endorser, Susan Casey."},{"time":"1:55:16","seconds":6916,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"She's this really brilliant writer, New York Times bestseller multiple times, has a latest book about undersea"},{"time":"1:55:22","seconds":6922,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"exploration called The Underworld. She's written a book about about waves called The Wave. She goes and rides a um a jet"},{"time":"1:55:31","seconds":6931,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"ski with Lar Hamilton into the lineup at at Peah, you know, Jaws. Oh, yeah."},{"time":"1:55:36","seconds":6936,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Yeah. There's some good That's a great book. And uh and she has a book about dolphins called Voices in the Ocean."},{"time":"1:55:42","seconds":6942,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"And um and another really cool book. I talked about Noah having national marine sanctuaries or n underwater national parks."},{"time":"1:55:49","seconds":6949,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"She wrote a book about the the sanctuary in the Fereralone Islands off of uh San Francisco and all their history about the great white shark population that lives there. Wow, she sounds amazing."},{"time":"1:56:00","seconds":6960,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"It's called Devil's Teeth. Devil's Teeth."},{"time":"1:56:02","seconds":6962,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"And she always goes in the field for all of her work. So, you know what? Oh, by the way, so her book about the about exploration of the ocean called The"},{"time":"1:56:10","seconds":6970,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Underworld, she goes and dives the Mariana's Trench with Victor. Whoa."},{"time":"1:56:14","seconds":6974,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Yeah. So, shout out to Susan Casey. Susan Casey is a legend. She is. She's She's brilliant. Wow."},{"time":"1:56:21","seconds":6981,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"That I Yeah. Getting that endorsement was is just such an honor for me."},{"time":"1:56:24","seconds":6984,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"That's amazing. Can I ask you a final question? Yeah."},{"time":"1:56:28","seconds":6988,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Um, if you were an alien civilization, where would you hide out under the ocean? What principles?"},{"time":"1:56:34","seconds":6994,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"I don't I don't have to be an alien to want to be in the ocean. Fair enough."},{"time":"1:56:37","seconds":6997,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"I told you that. That was my whole career."},{"time":"1:56:38","seconds":6998,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're already into it."},{"time":"1:56:40","seconds":7000,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Well, in fact, in fact, that's it. I'm so lucky now. I Me and my wife dive the world because I'm not in the government anymore and we have time. Wow."},{"time":"1:56:47","seconds":7007,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"So, we just finished diving the Blue Hole in Bise. Oh, cool."},{"time":"1:56:50","seconds":7010,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Which is this really cool feature. We did it with our our daughters and uh and we also did uh um Iron Bottom Sound off"},{"time":"1:56:58","seconds":7018,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Guadal Canal. Have you ever heard of that? No. Naval history. Okay."},{"time":"1:57:02","seconds":7022,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Okay. So, in 1942, this was a real precarious use that word again time in World War II when um it"},{"time":"1:57:11","seconds":7031,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"was the first time after Midway, the Battle of Midway that we went on the offensive and we decided to take a Japanese airfield in the Solomon Islands"},{"time":"1:57:19","seconds":7039,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"and it was on this island called Guala Canal. It was this obscure area, but it was that kind of that point where we basically we and Japan met halfway. They"},{"time":"1:57:27","seconds":7047,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"were advancing. We were going on the offensive and it was the place to take hold of an airfield. And then from there, we launched the island hopping"},{"time":"1:57:35","seconds":7055,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"campaign that assured us victory. So in 1942, there was this place where there was almost a year of continuous naval"},{"time":"1:57:42","seconds":7062,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"action, ships, shink sinking ships. And this there's so many shipwrecks in this little area off of Guadal Canal. They call it Iron Bottom Sound."},{"time":"1:57:52","seconds":7072,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Wow."},{"time":"1:57:52","seconds":7072,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Yeah. And so my wife and I went and dived there. Oh, wow."},{"time":"1:57:55","seconds":7075,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"On some of the wrecks there. That was phenomenal. So that's incredible."},{"time":"1:57:58","seconds":7078,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"I'm not sure what's next. Oh, I knew we're going to Bermuda. So Bermuda Triangle. We're going to dive the Bermuda Triangle."},{"time":"1:58:04","seconds":7084,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Do you think there's something to the Bermuda Triangle legends of electromagnetic anomalies and flights going missing and that sort of thing? Uh"},{"time":"1:58:12","seconds":7092,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"there seem there's there's data there's evidence of anomalies. Yeah. So let's tie this all together now. Yeah."},{"time":"1:58:19","seconds":7099,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Undersea bases possibly, right? We know five to seven locations. Yes. Uh we have anomalies like at the ranch. Mhm."},{"time":"1:58:27","seconds":7107,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Uh Bermuda Triangle. Yeah."},{"time":"1:58:30","seconds":7110,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Who knows? I'm I'm going to be I'm going to be sailing through it with my family on a cruise ship. That's amazing."},{"time":"1:58:35","seconds":7115,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"And then we're going to dive off Bermuda. Scuba dives. I'll let you know what we find."},{"time":"1:58:38","seconds":7118,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Oh, you're going to have a blast. Well, keep with the proper intentions and Amen."},{"time":"1:58:43","seconds":7123,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And uh wow, that'll be a lot of fun. And um yeah, it's just been an honor. I really appreciate it, Admiral. This has been a long time coming for me. I've followed your work"},{"time":"1:58:52","seconds":7132,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"for for many years now um in the UAP topic, but obviously you have this illustrious career, you know, behind that where you're adding your credentials to this kind of frontier."},{"time":"1:59:01","seconds":7141,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"And uh I'm just really grateful for you coming. Hey, I am grateful to be here, Jesse, and I'm just I'm honored and delighted to be a fellow seeker of truth with you."},{"time":"1:59:11","seconds":7151,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Oh, there you go."},{"time":"1:59:14","seconds":7154,"chapter":52,"chapter_title":"Susan Casey's ocean books","text":"Head to American Alchemymerch.com to grab official American Alchemy merch and support the show directly. 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